Starter Delete - Gear Removal Question

OakBehringer · Apr 13, 2011

Under the clutch there is a stack of gears I believe I can yank if I'm not going to run a starter. Two questions:

Can I eliminate the entire stack of gears in the attached pic?
Should I remove the post in the other pic, as well? (this is the post they were sitting on, the one held in place by a philips head screw)

(I'm trying not to split the cases)

Thanks!
Adam

5twins · Apr 13, 2011

Yes, you can remove the stack, I'm not sure about the post. What you don't want to remove is that little gear on the lower left retained by the plate and Phillips screw. That needs to stay. That's the shaft that runs over to the gear cluster under the countershaft sprocket. The only way to properly remove that is to split the cases.

OakBehringer · Apr 13, 2011

5twins said:
Yes, you can remove the stack, I'm not sure about the post. What you don't want to remove is that little gear on the lower left retained by the plate and Phillips screw. That needs to stay. That's the shaft that runs over to the gear cluster under the countershaft sprocket. The only way to properly remove that is to split the cases.

Gotchya, exactly what I expected. Thanks!

54inches · Apr 14, 2011

Great questions, for weight savings and that I want to run kick only, what else besides the motor/wiring can be removed?

SpoogeMCMM · Apr 14, 2011

54inches said:
Great questions, for weight savings and that I want to run kick only, what else besides the motor/wiring can be removed?

+1 i want to start with kick only the bike was missing the starter when i picked it up so i ordered the block off plates from mikes XS. what all needs to be removed for it to be just kick and not have stuff flopping around in the motor and such...?

OakBehringer · Apr 14, 2011

Hey guys, there's some pics in the first post of this thread that answer your question.

Also: the drive gear that the starter slides into. If you are installing MikesXS block off plate, you will see these gears.

54inches · Apr 14, 2011

That doesn't make sense. If we install the block off plate we will see the gears. What do you mean.

I asked an additional question beyond the scope of your inquiry.

Thanks for your input though!

SpoogeMCMM · Apr 14, 2011

i think that he means when we go to install the plates we will see what gears need to be removed. the gears in the pics he posted... right>?

54inches · Apr 14, 2011

I sure hope so grasshopper!!!

I want to remove as much crap as possible.

thedanned · Apr 14, 2011

Do those gears NEED to be removed or could only the starter be removed and plugged?

5twins · Apr 14, 2011

The starter inserts into the lower left side of the motor from underneath. It sticks into a little compartment just below the countershaft sprocket and shift shaft. You'll need to remove the cover over that area to install the block-off plug and while in there, you'll remove the double gear and it's little shaft on the left (they just pull out) .....

You'll be left with an empty housing something like this except your block-off plug will be installed where the starter used to be .....

You don't need to remove the #4 gear assembly under the right side cover like OakBehringer did but since you need to be in the area on the left to install the block-off plug, you might as well take that gear out. It will serve no purpose once the starter is removed.

thedanned · Apr 14, 2011

Beautiful, that is exactly what I needed. Thanks!

54inches · Apr 14, 2011

5twins said:
You don't need to remove the #4 gear assembly under the right side cover like OakBehringer did but since you need to be in the area on the left to install the block-off plug, you might as well take that gear out. It will serve no purpose once the starter is removed.

THANKS!!!!!!

Is the #4 gear assembly in the pics above?

5twins · Apr 14, 2011

It's in the pics in the 1st post. You need to remove the clutch assembly to get it off so unless you're under that right side engine cover doing some clutch work, I think I'd just leave it in there.

54inches · Apr 14, 2011

10-4, it would probably help if I had an engine in front of me!!!! lol

retiredgentleman · Apr 14, 2011

Store those gears in a place you can find. In a couple of years you'll be looking to put them back in.

OakBehringer · Apr 14, 2011

retiredgentleman said:
Store those gears in a place you can find. In a couple of years you'll be looking to put them back in.

Haha. I've never been able to hang onto a bike that long. Although, my new years resolution was "focus on your four bikes/projects, don't buy anything new for at least two years."

angus67 · Apr 14, 2011

OakBehringer said:
Haha. I've never been able to hang onto a bike that long. Although, my new years resolution was "focus on your four bikes/projects, don't buy anything new for at least two years."

hello, my name is___________, and Im a junk collector.

good luck on that resolution!!

CDNTX650 · Apr 15, 2011

retiredgentleman said:
Store those gears in a place you can find. In a couple of years you'll be looking to put them back in.

pffft, it's an XS650....you can almost start it by resting your foot on the kickstart. MY electric start never worked from the minute i got the bike...So i guess one day i may try to fix it.

SpoogeMCMM · Apr 15, 2011

i hope my damn block off plates come in soon so i can see if i can get this wiring and everything set so i can see if this bad boy will run!

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