I can't get any response from Pete, in dire need of help.

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I have a Pamco unit I purchased a few years ago, sat in a box in the shelf in my house for a couple of years, so I'm sure the warranty is out.

Having said that, nobody, not me, not my mechanic, no one has been able to get it to fire, so I am going to order a new one since we have checked voltages and nothing seems to be coming out of it. I need help purchasing new replacement parts from Pete's site, and since he doesn't respond to email that regularly, I need you guys to help me out. Its sitting in the shop and I need to get the replacement part(s) asap.

I have a 1979 XS650 and it currently has a non-functioning Electronic Advancer and Electronic Ignition on it. What I have is exactly what is pictured in the kit below. In addition I have a dual output coil (not pictured).

I do not need all of the parts, so no reason to order one of MikesXS kits. Here are the questions.

Do I need the (blue box) Electronic Advancer (image below) AND the 'New Simplified Pamco Hall Effect E-Ignition System'(image below)? OR do I ONLY need the 'New Simplified Pamco Effect E-Ignition System'? As I read the website, and as the picture states, the "New Simplified Pamco Effect E-Ignition System' includes the E-Advancer on the E-Ignition plate in one single piece.

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The new unit has the E-advance built in. The Blue box is an add on if you have the old system.
 
willis said:
The new unit has the E-advance built in. The Blue box is an add on if you have the old system.
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Thank you very much, that was exactly what I needed know, so I will order JUST the New Simplified Version.
Pete really needs to redesign that website, its not exactly user friendly.
 
I would read that thread i copied before ordering new parts if I were you. I have never run a PMA & capacitor but have read many threads with similar issue. Have you tried starting the bike off an auxiliary car battery first? That capacitor doesn't come charged and you need to provide some outside juice to get it going.
 
I'll do that, but if I remember correctly Hugh was running just such a system. I'm sure I've seen it before, I didn't come up with the idea on my own, I ain't that smart. lol
 
Just because Hugh has done it does not mean there will be no problems if the incorrect procedure is done or precautions are not taken......I am not going to go into explanations as the link willis posted has all the information relating to anything Pamco. Installation, cautions, procedures, trouble shooting and problems.........There is a comprehensive PMA Pamco set up write up with diagrams section due to the problems that arose when Hugh was selling/advocating the Pamco/PMA set ups..........

Pamcopete stopped replacing under warranty his systems when used with a capacitor/PMA set up because of the problems a capacitor creates..........
 
Thanks for the heads up, I'll be sure and try to get a good handle on it before proceeding with installing the new parts.. I may be back with more questions then later.
 
caj411 said:
I have a Pamco unit I purchased a few years ago, sat in a box in the shelf in my house for a couple of years, so I'm sure the warranty is out.

Having said that, nobody, not me, not my mechanic, no one has been able to get it to fire, so I am going to order a new one since we have checked voltages and nothing seems to be coming out of it. I need help purchasing new replacement parts from Pete's site, and since he doesn't respond to email that regularly, I need you guys to help me out. Its sitting in the shop and I need to get the replacement part(s) asap.

I have a 1979 XS650 and it currently has a non-functioning Electronic Advancer and Electronic Ignition on it. What I have is exactly what is pictured in the kit below. In addition I have a dual output coil (not pictured).

I do not need all of the parts, so no reason to order one of MikesXS kits. Here are the questions.

Do I need the (blue box) Electronic Advancer (image below) AND the 'New Simplified Pamco Hall Effect E-Ignition System'(image below)? OR do I ONLY need the 'New Simplified Pamco Effect E-Ignition System'? As I read the website, and as the picture states, the "New Simplified Pamco Effect E-Ignition System' includes the E-Advancer on the E-Ignition plate in one single piece.

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You sent your Email to me at 11:27 this morning. I responded at 9:20 this evening. You started this thread at 1:02 this afternoon and I am here at 9:43 PM.
 
650Skull said:
Just because Hugh has done it does not mean there will be no problems if the incorrect procedure is done or precautions are not taken......I am not going to go into explanations as the link willis posted has all the information relating to anything Pamco. Installation, cautions, procedures, trouble shooting and problems.........There is a comprehensive PMA Pamco set up write up with diagrams section due to the problems that arose when Hugh was selling/advocating the Pamco/PMA set ups..........

Pamcopete stopped replacing under warranty his systems when used with a capacitor/PMA set up because of the problems a capacitor creates..........
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Well, not that I wouldn't like to, but the warranty is still good with a PMA cap setup but I have advised against using a PMA capacitor setup. Some people get it right, but many do not.
 
pamcopete said:
You sent your Email to me at 11:27 this morning. I responded at 9:20 this evening. You started this thread at 1:02 this afternoon and I am here at 9:43 PM.
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I would like to start out with an apology to Pete. I have been very frustrated and confused and let my emotions get the better of me. For that I am sorry.

Now lets work thru this confusion.
The email I sent on September 25th was never responded to, maybe it was lost, who knows, shit happens.
My second email that you did respond to was as follows:

"I have an XS650 1979, I am trying to determine the correct part(s) that I need before ordering.

Your website has the 'New simplified Pamco Hall effect E-Ignition system' (image #1) and the Electronic Advancer/blue box (image #2). See attached pics. Are these two items the same thing? I don't know whether I need the blue box, the simplified version, or both. It would appear from your website that the 'New simplified Pamco Hall effect E-Igntion system' replaces the older units and includes everything into one component.

I already have the 60 degree rotor from a previous install. What I have (image #3) does NOT work and I need to replace it."

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You're response was this:

Image #1 is a complete system that combines the original PAMCO with the function of image #2 to eliminate the need for a mechanical advancer.

Image# 2 is a PAMCO electronic advancer used to replace the mechanical advancer for the original standard PAMCO ignition.

Image #3 is not a PAMCO product. I suggest you go back to the supplier and get your money back.

If the 60 degree rotor you have is from image #3, then it is not suitable to be used with image #1 as it is not a PAMCO rotor.
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Now, having posted ALL of that previous communications. Let me try to be more clear in my questions and statements.

Question 1.
So, Image #1, the "New Simplifed Pamco Hall Effect E-Ignition System" is an all inclusive part?
I am taking that from your response to be a YES.

Question 2.
Image #3, came from MikesXS website, so it is a knock-off of your system. It is NOT a Pamco original. Correct?

Question 3.
With regard to the rotor. We are talking about the shaft that came with models prior to 1980? A Pamco shaft/rotor is required for proper operation, the original that came from Yamaha will not work, correct?

Ok, that's it for now.
 
pamcopete said:
Well, not that I wouldn't like to, but the warranty is still good with a PMA cap setup but I have advised against using a PMA capacitor setup. Some people get it right, but many do not.
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The bike frame has been heavily modified/ stripped down, there is no place for a battery to go, and it would ruin the aesthetics, so its going to have to run on a capacitor, even if I have to jump start the darn thing to get it going. I guess I could carry a battery in a backpack to start it. lol

In particular, from your experience, what are the issues associated with using a capacitor? I've googled and seen pros and cons, do's and don'ts, but I would preferably like to hear from the source what your concerns are to doing this, in other words, how to do it properly.

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Look under my seat next to the electrics box (which is ventilated), there is plenty of room for a Shorai battery. Running stock ignition, stock rotor, stator, DIY regulator and rectifier.
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An original advance rod should work with the Pamco, unless something has changed recently. They always worked in the past. Pete does offer a rod for use in 1980 and newer models that didn't come with one. But even on those later models, you could use an original rod if you wanted to, no need to get a special one from Pete.
 
5twins said:
An original advance rod should work with the Pamco, unless something has changed recently. They always worked in the past. Pete does offer a rod for use in 1980 and newer models that didn't come with one. But even on those later models, you could use an original rod if you wanted to, no need to get a special one from Pete.
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So, my rotor/shaft on my 1979 should work, OK. I went ahead and ordered the Simplifed Pamco with a rotor anyway as I've already caused enough problems.
 
That battery could probably fit behind your rear brake light area. Looks like a neat little cubby for it to be in. Not sure what your intent is back there to add a fender or what.
 
Superjet said:
That battery could probably fit behind your rear brake light area. Looks like a neat little cubby for it to be in. Not sure what your intent is back there to add a fender or what.
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Its a little plastic "piece", but was going to hold wiring or electronics. I don't think it would be big enough, but as small as those batteries are I could think of something, mount it to the bottom of the seat maybe. Having said that, I really do want to make it a capacitor kickstart only bike, that was the original intent, to make it as simple as possible.
 

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