oil filter

Interesting ...... on their web page, they say "sonic" cleaning service available. I never gave it much thought before, but might a little sonic cleaner be the hot set-up for cleaning our stock filters? I've always just lightly brushed them clean with solvent but this might be a better way. Also, it dawned on me that I'm not getting the inside of my filters real clean. A sonic cleaner may do that.
 
2M do run solvent in your ultrasonic (us) cleaner. If so what type?
I ask because I thought it would be good for oily parts but the instructions with my one say do not use solvents.
As an aside the one I use is heated but the temperature always overshoots the set temp and continues to climb. It is probably due in part to hysteresis but also I think to the us energy used.
I can imagine all sorts of fun with a low flashpoint solvent.
 
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Thanks for the reply 2M I have tried diluted simple green and was not that impressed with it. I will try it neat next time.
Listening to that video reminded me of those star wars sword fights.
 
Signal; Do not use any solvent in an ultra sonic cleaner the fire/explosion risk is way too high.
PS it doesn't do much either :rolleyes:. US depends on vibrating the water molecules, I'm guessing petroleum molecules just don't get excited by it.
 
Gary, yes agreed.I never have used solvent in the us cleaner and never will.
Jetmech I will do some research on the Yamaha carb cleaner when I need to do some cleaning next.
 
Just another little thread refresh.
Decided to do a comparison of the screen mesh used on the OEM XS side filters versus a recent MikesXS 15-6501 (256-13441-00) side filter, manufactured by Fuji (Japan).
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The Fuji filter uses a stainless steel screen, fully pleated all the way around.
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OEM side filter screen:
Screen wire size = 0.004", on a 0.010" grid matrix
This gives a passthru mesh size of 0.006" (150 Microns)

Fuji side filter screen:
Screen wire size = 0.002", on a 0.0047" grid matrix (much finer)
This gives a passthru mesh size of 0.0027" (70 Microns)

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Just another little thread refresh.
Decided to do a comparison of the screen mesh used on the OEM XS side filters versus a recent MikesXS 15-6501 (256-13441-00) side filter, manufactured by Fuji (Japan).
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The Fuji filter uses a stainless steel screen, fully pleated all the way around.
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OEM side filter screen:
Screen wire size = 0.004", on a 0.010" grid matrix
This gives a passthru mesh size of 0.006" (150 Microns)

Fuji side filter screen:
Screen wire size = 0.002", on a 0.0047" grid matrix (much finer)
This gives a passthru mesh size of 0.0027" (70 Microns)

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Thats very interesting.
That’s quite a difference. I’m just curious how did you obtain that data? Not the sort of information they would print on the side of the box.
 
... how did you obtain that data?

10x magnifier, caliper, fine needles, and a lotta squinting.

If you Google the 256-13441-00 part number, and scroll thru the images, you'll see the various offerings. Many are the coarser mesh. This stainless steel 70 micron filter looks promising. Surprised that it isn't accompanied with some marketing excitement. It's been out for a while now, curious how it holds up with the super-fine wire screen...
 
I used this recipe.........X,s whatever for your sonic cleaner size............Vinegar and Washing soda, (bycarb) are a main ingredient so should act as a solvent, with some heat.....???

1.5 ltr water - 1Cup boiled, (200mil),
300ml of vinegar
60ml Dish-washing liquid
25ml eucalyptus oil
3 desert spoons of Washing soda.

Maybe degreaser instead of dish-washing liquid........

If anyone wants to try it.

If i get my arse into gear i may do this in a few days time...........Bit busy for the next couple, and be outa town
 
My latest take on filtering the oil in the venerable xs650...

Previously I had built a spin-on sump filter (sump plate) for my engine, however, a couple of things did not sit well with me on that design

1. The ground clearance and the possibility to strike the filter housing
2. The only filters I could find in a lower profile for that application were from more modern sports bikes and all had ADBV's installed - not my preference for a filter on the suction side of an oil pump as the flow becomes limited unless there is enough suction to lift the ADBV off its seat, not really in the design brief of the xs's oil pump.
Since I have done away with the starter motor I went about designing my own filter adaptor that mounts into the starter spigot and that could hold a spin on filter cartridge.

I chose to use a filter from an EVO Harley motor for a couple of reasons -
1. I already have an EVO HD and have the required filters on-hand
2. They have no ADBV so flow without restriction on the suction circuit.
3. While not filtering to the levels of more modern spin-on cartridges, they still filter to ~ 30 microns, somewhat better than the standard gauze in the xs engine.
4. An increase in oil capacity by ~ 250ml
5. Its size allows fitment into the starter void and the ability to spin-on/off in situ.
6. Price for replacement filters cartridges is around $10 AUD or $8 USD
7. Personal preference - I dislike the standard strainer and actually like to filter my oil (cue violins from the "Yamaha knows best" crowd).

As a matter of design, the oil supply from the filter adaptor has to run to a custom sump plate via a piece of 1/2" oil line, which then obviously feeds the pump. The mounting boss of the adaptor is sealed with a Viton o-ring in the starter spigot. Additionally, stainless hardware was utilized to mount both the adaptor and sump plate.
I don't have any photos of when I was making the adaptor but will upload if it is removed for any reason.

This photo shows the adaptor mounted to the two inner-most starter mounting bosses and the filter installed as well as the transfer line.

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Custom mounting plate with flush designed bolts and drain.

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View of filter, adaptor, and transfer line.

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No loss of ground clearance

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Sump plate

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Sump plate and transfer line.

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I was thinking about having a small run of these machined up via CNC but am not sure if it is an item that is both needed or would sell...

I'll update some of these photos to my "long rod motor" thread when I can.

Ciao

Having made a second one of these starter position filter units I have made a video to show the filter unit and how it works...

 
I just ordered up some stainless steel screen in 150 mesh and some in a coarse mesh (for support) I have 8 filters cleaned and ready to patch. I have been tack welding on the steel covers cut from 1 gallon solvent cans, the last one I epoxied on. But really think epoxying on mesh is a more elegant solution.

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How coarse are you going with the course mesh and are you putting that on the outside
I have found a source for the 150 mesh
 
Having made a second one of these starter position filter units I have made a video to show the filter unit and how it works...


That is a very nice set-up HotDog - do you sell them and if so, how much do you ask?

Pete
 
How coarse are you going with the course mesh and are you putting that on the outside
I have found a source for the 150 mesh
I decided I didn't need the coarse mesh, so far that has proven true. Just using the 150 SS mesh held on with JB weld ORIGINAL FORMULA. Pulled the filter at 2nd oil change on madness, M-L 4,000 miles it looked like new.
 
I decided I didn't need the coarse mesh, so far that has proven true. Just using the 150 SS mesh held on with JB weld ORIGINAL FORMULA. Pulled the filter at 2nd oil change on madness, M-L 4,000 miles it looked like new.
Thanks Gary! I'll give it a try I can source the screen easily and have enough to do a few repairs I just need to get an extra bottom plate so at oil change the swap out goes quick
JB weld is good stuff
 
I haven't yet read all 14 pages of this and I just got my first xs650 late last year so the oil filtering is still foreign to me, but my experience is never put anything in a motor that can break free. we have always been very cautious with silicone sealant on gaskets for fear of squeeze out dislodging and clogging an oil oriface. And of course I've used my share of JB weld but hesitant to using it on the sump filter..
My 7000 mile one owner '79 SF does have a tear in the sump filter screen so what is the latest/best that folks are buying?? and I'll get to the heyden mod later on so I plan to just clean the side filter,,,
 
I haven't yet read all 14 pages of this and I just got my first xs650 late last year so the oil filtering is still foreign to me, but my experience is never put anything in a motor that can break free. we have always been very cautious with silicone sealant on gaskets for fear of squeeze out dislodging and clogging an oil oriface. And of course I've used my share of JB weld but hesitant to using it on the sump filter..
My 7000 mile one owner '79 SF does have a tear in the sump filter screen so what is the latest/best that folks are buying?? and I'll get to the heyden mod later on so I plan to just clean the side filter,,,

OK, I just looked and could not find the Fuji sump filter and only found one on amazon from china delivered for $37 and one from mikesXS for $37 plus shipping.. I think they are the same Chinese filter and theres mention of the perforated metal on the inside but does this filter still need a hand made baffle shield to keep from tearing? and is there another source for a better filter that I missed?
And the side moon filter I found OEM on ebay and one on mikes XS without any mention of the fuji fine screen element so I'm inclined to wash my moon filter. thoughts??
 
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