Installing a Vape all in one charging and ignition system.

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Full disclosure; While talking to Gary Hoos about his cam guides I agreed to do an install of a Vape and a forum write up. Gary gave me a super deal on the set up in exchange for doing a "positive write up". Will attempt to do an impartial, install how to, and comments about how the install goes, and how it works.
http://www.hoosracing.com/home.html
the Vape is several items down in the new XS650/750 engine parts menu.
Since Ywain is on the lift with no charging system at all it seemed like the perfect candidate. This thread will take a while, cuz the bike is far from road ready and it's mid winter in Wisconsin
Package arrived two days from order. Gary is only a couple hundred miles from me.
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Well packed
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The contents
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Includes an instruction booklet, in english except for the wiring diagram.
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First up; lots of cleaning to do.
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YWAIN had a "never wired up" pamco bolted on, that and the advance assembly are now removed.
Stay tuned.
Oh; feel free to comment, whatever, but I will edit this thread to keep the flow going, combine posts, remove off topic wanders etc.
Got some cleaning done.
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A VERY basic wiring diagram
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Important concept: A Vape has 2 completely separate circuits one to power the ignition and a "lighting circuit" that handles all other electrical loads.
The ignition is "shut off" via a ground wire. The grounding is done by a relay controlled by the lighting circuit.
 
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I have the 277 Re-phased VAPE setup from Gary. Super nice kit. I accidentally put the rotor on in the wrong orientation the first time because I was excited. After I sorted that out it started first kick. The adjustable timetables are nice as is the rev limited. Starts super easy and a very smooth power band. Also the shell racing cam covers look very slick. After about 1000 miles on it no complaints here!
 
Demoted is a great descriptive term for electrical systems shuffled from one project to another. If I change my tracker over to a electric start I`ll "Demote" my Morris Mag and use the Vape System as I`ve never heard anything negative about it.:thumbsup:
Gary, Please include compatible battery types and capacitors. Inquiring minds might want to know.:umm:
 
I use a Shorai Lithium Battery with mine. No issues. Although I don't think VAPE recommends using a lithium. But the directions say you can run battery-less with a capacitor but it doesn't list specifics.

if you go back to the Former Powerdynamo site which is still made available by Vape , the reason they don't recomend using a lithium battery is they never tried one. Also you can run without a cap even but you need to have a load on the regulator when you start the bike , like the lights. or the regulator will go high and blow the lights if you turn on after the bike starts. Here are some older links.
http://www.powerdynamo.biz/eng/systems/7361/7361main.htm
http://www.powerdynamo.biz/eng/kb/reg_output.htm
http://www.powerdynamo.biz/eng/systems/7376/7376main.htm
 
Half mile - your thoughts on the morris mag ?
I put one one an XR project i built back in the 80's - ran fab.
How is it on a 650 ?

The Morris Mag fired right up and sounded good considering I never used a timing light and the motor was way over carbureted. I bought new smaller Mikuni`s but never installed them. That was 4 years ago and I haven`t touched it since.
 
I use a Shorai Lithium Battery with mine. No issues. Although I don't think VAPE recommends using a lithium. But the directions say you can run battery-less with a capacitor but it doesn't list specifics.

if you go back to the Former Powerdynamo site which is still made available by Vape , the reason they don't recomend using a lithium battery is they never tried one. Also you can run without a cap even but you need to have a load on the regulator when you start the bike , like the lights. or the regulator will go high and blow the lights if you turn on after the bike starts. Here are some older links.
http://www.powerdynamo.biz/eng/systems/7361/7361main.htm
http://www.powerdynamo.biz/eng/kb/reg_output.htm
http://www.powerdynamo.biz/eng/systems/7376/7376main.htm

I have an RD350A, with a Powerdynamo/ VAPE PMA/CDI combo. Had it for at least 5 years, used a Super-B 2600 LiPoFe battery with no issues whatsoever, even when Powerdynamo/ VAPE stated not to do so (for fear of litigation, naturally)
On a side note, some use a Zeeltronic programmable ignition controller with a PD/ VAPE on the RDs. That requires a different Reg/Rect due to some interference issue.
 
I have installed a few different ignition systems on XS's. The Vape is top quality. The standard firing system is about as easy as it gets so far as installation goes . The 277 version is a bit more fiddly.
I am sure you will be pleased with it Gary.
 
Yeah. CZECH sounds a lot better than Chink.:unsure:
Not sure if you agree with me or not? Chechoslovakia/ Czech Republic has a good reputation for quality industrial products. My lathe is a TOZ. Czech. Two of my rifles are CZ and Brno. Czech. Jawa speedway bikes were/are top class. Czech. The VAG group manufactures Skoda cars in Czech.
See what I did there? Czech/ check ;)
 
Not sure if you agree with me or not? Chechoslovakia/ Czech Republic has a good reputation for quality industrial products. My lathe is a TOZ. Czech. Two of my rifles are CZ and Brno. Czech. Jawa speedway bikes were/are top class. Czech. The VAG group manufactures Skoda cars in Czech.
See what I did there? Czech/ check ;)

Agreed - before WW2, Czechoslovakia was one of the most advanced democracies and industrial economies in Europe and certainly the leading manufacturing nation in the east.

I hope that system is as good as it appears. :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

Pete
 
Interesting reading in those PowerDynamo references above regarding electrical problems. The following gives a reasonable explanation about running too high an electrical load:
http://www.powerdynamo.biz/eng/kb/light_output.htm
I struck this problem using 60/55W H4 bulbs on my XS a year or two ago so stepped down to 35W.
 
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