littlebill31
Smells of Raw Fuel
I've got a couple Mosin-Nagants. Quite a nice rifle.
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jd750ace
Front Toward Enemy
The one and only Eddyville.
slipshot
XS650 Member
MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE. Get out those GUNS, and fire them in the sky../// i got a ROCKET LAUNCHER for x-mas...
Kingwj
I know nothing, nothing!
Modern has nothing to do with it. Rifled barrel muzzleloaders are just accurate. You just need to be able to squeeze the trigger and sing a chorus of 'Stairway to Heaven' without flinching after an explosion 2" from your eye while waiting for the powder to go boom to be accurate.
I am Carbon
shade tree mechanic
hey King, Your thinking of Your dads old muzzleloader.
modern muzlepoader is abit differant
littlebill31
Smells of Raw Fuel
The new ones use a 209 shotgun primer to light off charge
The pellet charge
And the .50cal sabot. A Barnes expander tipped 200-350grain .45cal in a .50cal jacket.
These are not your grandpappy's guns.
The pellet charge
And the .50cal sabot. A Barnes expander tipped 200-350grain .45cal in a .50cal jacket.
These are not your grandpappy's guns.
Not the guns fault, the guy was obviously deranged and had probably been drinking beer.
Need more guns on the street to combat these people who obtain guns illegally
Extract from the media:
US firearm sales have sky-rocketed since the Newtown school massacre, as debate over gun control rages and enthusiasts fear certain assault weapons and high-capacity magazines could be banned.
President Barack Obama basically has put gun enthusiasts on warning, says Larry Hyatt, owner of a gun shop in Charlotte, North Carolina, referring to efforts to outlaw certain weapons in the wake of the Newtown shooting.
A semi-automatic Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle was used in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in which a disturbed local young man shot dead 20 young children, six adults and his mother before taking his own life.
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"Right after it, anti-guns (activists) started talking. The president said he wanted quick action, and so that is going to fuel the buying frenzy, and it is," Hyatt said, describing the rush as largely "politically motivated".
"We have been in business for 50 years, and we have seen (fear-based buying) before," Hyatt said. "But this is more intense because the president got in the media and basically said, 'if you want a gun, you better get it now'."
That means bigger business for an already huge industry: the gun and ammunition manufacturing industry in the United States groups about 300 companies with combined yearly sales estimated at about $US7 billion ($6.7 billion).
Florida, the most heavily armed state, rocketed this week to a new record of active carry permits - more than one million - a state government spokesman told AFP. Florida has 19 million people.
"To shed some more light on the magazine situation at present, it really has been unprecedented in the last five days," Pete Brownell, whose company is the world's largest supplier of firearm supplies, posted on a guns forum.
Brownell said the company had seen the average demand for over three-and-a-half years' worth of PMAGs (polymer magazines) fly off the shelves in just 72 hours.
"We're working like crazy to get these orders to you as quickly as possible," Brownell added.
Newspapers in rural areas around the country also reported a roaring pre-Christmas trade in guns and magazines, especially at gun shows, long considered a loophole by gun control activists as they often don't require buyers to undergo any background checks.
There were an estimated 310 million non-military firearms in the United States in 2009, roughly one per citizen, and people in America are 20 times more likely to be killed by a gun than someone in another developed country.
The United States has suffered an explosion of gun violence over the past three decades including 62 mass shooting incidents since 1982. The vast majority of weapons used have been semi-automatic handguns and rifles obtained legally by the killers.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-gun-...r-new-rules-20121225-2butv.html#ixzz2G7R3IuEF
Need more guns on the street to combat these people who obtain guns illegally
Extract from the media:
US firearm sales have sky-rocketed since the Newtown school massacre, as debate over gun control rages and enthusiasts fear certain assault weapons and high-capacity magazines could be banned.
President Barack Obama basically has put gun enthusiasts on warning, says Larry Hyatt, owner of a gun shop in Charlotte, North Carolina, referring to efforts to outlaw certain weapons in the wake of the Newtown shooting.
A semi-automatic Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle was used in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in which a disturbed local young man shot dead 20 young children, six adults and his mother before taking his own life.
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"Right after it, anti-guns (activists) started talking. The president said he wanted quick action, and so that is going to fuel the buying frenzy, and it is," Hyatt said, describing the rush as largely "politically motivated".
"We have been in business for 50 years, and we have seen (fear-based buying) before," Hyatt said. "But this is more intense because the president got in the media and basically said, 'if you want a gun, you better get it now'."
That means bigger business for an already huge industry: the gun and ammunition manufacturing industry in the United States groups about 300 companies with combined yearly sales estimated at about $US7 billion ($6.7 billion).
Florida, the most heavily armed state, rocketed this week to a new record of active carry permits - more than one million - a state government spokesman told AFP. Florida has 19 million people.
"To shed some more light on the magazine situation at present, it really has been unprecedented in the last five days," Pete Brownell, whose company is the world's largest supplier of firearm supplies, posted on a guns forum.
Brownell said the company had seen the average demand for over three-and-a-half years' worth of PMAGs (polymer magazines) fly off the shelves in just 72 hours.
"We're working like crazy to get these orders to you as quickly as possible," Brownell added.
Newspapers in rural areas around the country also reported a roaring pre-Christmas trade in guns and magazines, especially at gun shows, long considered a loophole by gun control activists as they often don't require buyers to undergo any background checks.
There were an estimated 310 million non-military firearms in the United States in 2009, roughly one per citizen, and people in America are 20 times more likely to be killed by a gun than someone in another developed country.
The United States has suffered an explosion of gun violence over the past three decades including 62 mass shooting incidents since 1982. The vast majority of weapons used have been semi-automatic handguns and rifles obtained legally by the killers.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-gun-...r-new-rules-20121225-2butv.html#ixzz2G7R3IuEF
littlebill31
Smells of Raw Fuel
Yep. I think others countries think we are in the wild, wild west or something. Hell, I see more drug heads and drunks walking around the streets than someone carrying a gun. And if it wasn't for criminals Australia wouldn't even be a country. Or is that an incorrect statement? I mean, I read the news about other countries so I must know what I'm talking about.
Has the president done anything yet? Nope and he's not gonna. No balls. We had a guy kill his grandmother in '81, paroled in '96 and just started a massive set of house fires, then ambushed the firefighters responding, killing 2 Christmas eve. He then killed himself. They searched his home and found the remains of his 67 yr old sister whom he had killed too. The 3 page note left behind stated that hes was, "Going to do what I like and that is kill people". However, he did use a Bushmaster and a shotgun so I guess the guns made him do it and had nothing to do with the fact that he was a psycho who illegally obtained firearms. Felons can't get them here. But I know, if they're were no guns he might not have been able to do it. But guess what? Too damn late. There are guns. We have so many damn laws on the books and none get enforced.
I am authorized to sell guns at my part-time job. I call the FBI Nics Operation everyday I am at work to do a background check on gun buyers. I have had many buyers, who are felons, fill out an application and try to buy a gun. ONE, that is illegal for them to even try, but, by law, I can't stop them nor can I tell them "no". It's discrimination. Then I call it in and they get denied. TWO, the FBI does nothing about it. They don't go find them or anything. They just say "denied" and that is it. Sometimes they have asked for the person's address, but I have never heard of them doing anything.
They do nothing to enforce the laws.
The NRA had a great idea, put guards in the school. But I know, the NRA is Satan and bad and evil, ect. They are, however, the only rights group to stand up and do anything. The politicians are so frightened of them it's not even funny. I mean down right scared. The rest take of work to go sit on a street corner or picket or some shit. They have guards at banks watching your precious money, we send billions overseas to help other countries and train their people, so why not use a little to protect our future? Why not try to deter the crazies?
The media just likes to battle over proper word usage, getting the last word in and argue anything to get more ratings, like David Gregory, but it makes sense. Protect our kids. There are evil people out there, protect our kids. Parents expect the school to raise their kids anyway now a days and blame the teachers when their child does bad things. At least we could protect them in some way. But no, the NRA thought of it so it's a bad idea.
So, lets take a second to see what the politicians and leaders have done in over a week to curb the gun violence.........*crickets*........anyone? Hello?........Oh, yep, nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero. If I was a damn mayor or something (I'm not, I'm just a normal, law abiding citizen arguing gun control on the computer and constantly listening to people who have never even held a gun complain about them) I would not be sitting around fattening my ass on Christmas turkey. I'd be out cracking skulls and working. No more of any violence. Scarlet letter mother fucker. But then the ACLU or some crap group would say I was being mean and not hugging enough trees. Too bad, branded on the forehead for life. No voting, no alcohol, no guns, no "three strikes", nothing. You can work and try to be a good citizen. You will have to earn the trust of everyone you pass by, always being reminded by the scarlet letter and the evil thing you did.
Little piece of history: Know why you "Raise your right hand"? Because thieves and other bad people were branded on the palm of their hands way back when. Then you would know what they did. But that is too mean now.
I wonder if people know that Winchester, Colt, Ruger, Marlin, USFA, CVA and a few others, are based in Connecticut. I blame them, ya, that's it. I blame Connecticut for letting these people build guns there. Ya, I feel good with that statement.
This debate will go on and on....again.
Has the president done anything yet? Nope and he's not gonna. No balls. We had a guy kill his grandmother in '81, paroled in '96 and just started a massive set of house fires, then ambushed the firefighters responding, killing 2 Christmas eve. He then killed himself. They searched his home and found the remains of his 67 yr old sister whom he had killed too. The 3 page note left behind stated that hes was, "Going to do what I like and that is kill people". However, he did use a Bushmaster and a shotgun so I guess the guns made him do it and had nothing to do with the fact that he was a psycho who illegally obtained firearms. Felons can't get them here. But I know, if they're were no guns he might not have been able to do it. But guess what? Too damn late. There are guns. We have so many damn laws on the books and none get enforced.
I am authorized to sell guns at my part-time job. I call the FBI Nics Operation everyday I am at work to do a background check on gun buyers. I have had many buyers, who are felons, fill out an application and try to buy a gun. ONE, that is illegal for them to even try, but, by law, I can't stop them nor can I tell them "no". It's discrimination. Then I call it in and they get denied. TWO, the FBI does nothing about it. They don't go find them or anything. They just say "denied" and that is it. Sometimes they have asked for the person's address, but I have never heard of them doing anything.
They do nothing to enforce the laws.
The NRA had a great idea, put guards in the school. But I know, the NRA is Satan and bad and evil, ect. They are, however, the only rights group to stand up and do anything. The politicians are so frightened of them it's not even funny. I mean down right scared. The rest take of work to go sit on a street corner or picket or some shit. They have guards at banks watching your precious money, we send billions overseas to help other countries and train their people, so why not use a little to protect our future? Why not try to deter the crazies?
The media just likes to battle over proper word usage, getting the last word in and argue anything to get more ratings, like David Gregory, but it makes sense. Protect our kids. There are evil people out there, protect our kids. Parents expect the school to raise their kids anyway now a days and blame the teachers when their child does bad things. At least we could protect them in some way. But no, the NRA thought of it so it's a bad idea.
So, lets take a second to see what the politicians and leaders have done in over a week to curb the gun violence.........*crickets*........anyone? Hello?........Oh, yep, nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero. If I was a damn mayor or something (I'm not, I'm just a normal, law abiding citizen arguing gun control on the computer and constantly listening to people who have never even held a gun complain about them) I would not be sitting around fattening my ass on Christmas turkey. I'd be out cracking skulls and working. No more of any violence. Scarlet letter mother fucker. But then the ACLU or some crap group would say I was being mean and not hugging enough trees. Too bad, branded on the forehead for life. No voting, no alcohol, no guns, no "three strikes", nothing. You can work and try to be a good citizen. You will have to earn the trust of everyone you pass by, always being reminded by the scarlet letter and the evil thing you did.
Little piece of history: Know why you "Raise your right hand"? Because thieves and other bad people were branded on the palm of their hands way back when. Then you would know what they did. But that is too mean now.
I wonder if people know that Winchester, Colt, Ruger, Marlin, USFA, CVA and a few others, are based in Connecticut. I blame them, ya, that's it. I blame Connecticut for letting these people build guns there. Ya, I feel good with that statement.
This debate will go on and on....again.
Who are these people and where is it they can't own guns ???
littlebill31
Smells of Raw Fuel
I think population has a lot to do with it too. Texas has 22 million people same as all of Australia. The US has 311 million people. More people equals more violence.
And I'll say it again. If we can't stop drugs and humans crossing over a river that is guraded, how are we going to curb gun violence? Even if we outlaw all of them?
And I'll say it again. If we can't stop drugs and humans crossing over a river that is guraded, how are we going to curb gun violence? Even if we outlaw all of them?
I am Carbon
shade tree mechanic
I would not want to live in a country where run like a kingdom. when you live in a place like that, the people are at the mercy of the government. And as history shows thats not a good thing. If anyone needs a refresher course watch this. AND DON'T FORGET IT!
burns
OWG
littlebill31
Smells of Raw Fuel
And how many of those countries have the amount of weapons we have? Per person?
That's what I am referring to.
Lots of guns + lots of people = lots of gun violence.
Lots of talk + lots of pussy politicians = nothing gets fixed.
Wow, my bachelors degree helped me did math.
That's what I am referring to.
Lots of guns + lots of people = lots of gun violence.
Lots of talk + lots of pussy politicians = nothing gets fixed.
Wow, my bachelors degree helped me did math.
Scrambled
Motorcycle Man
OK, I stayed out of this until now . Bill , you say that you sell guns part time and do background checks on buyers , right ? So, where do felons get their guns ? From so called "law abiding gun owners " that's where . Keep that in mind , criminals and crazy people have no problem finding upstanding citizens to buy guns from . Hard to tell the "good guys " from the "bad guys " when the "good guys " ain't really any good.
So now I think you would say something about criminals stealing guns if they can't buy them from a nice "law abiding gun owner ." I happen to know a few gun nuts ,or "collectors " as they like to be called . You know the type , they own a bunch of guns , are usually paranoid and leave loaded weapons all over "just in case , you never know " ,. The problem with most gun nuts is they make themselves a target for break in just because they have a bunch of guns . When a gun nut gets his collection stolen those guns go right out to the street , right to the gang bangers .
So as far as I can tell it is the "law abiding citizens " that create the problem. Don't try to suggest that guns get smuggled into the US , fact is guns from the US ( that were owned by" legitimate law abiding gun owners " to start with end up in Mexico and Canada as well as most other places in the world where guns are controlled .
That recent shooting might not of happened if that guys mother wasn't so paranoid that she had to have a bunch of guns in the house , not like she lived in a high crime area , actually one of the safest places to live in your country . At least she should of had her weapons secured , in a proper gun safe . I think the "law abiding gun owners " who leave guns laying around should do the time for the crimes commited with those guns , just like a car owner is held responsible if they sell a car to an un licenced driver or lets an unqualified driver use their car .
Something to think about anyway , guns are just too easy to get and it seems that no one is being held responsible for what is being done with the guns they buy/sell. It may be your "right " but it is just wrong the way things are now.
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Scrambled
Motorcycle Man
Carbon, you do know that the USA has the highest per capita prison inmate population in the world ? 25% of the WORLDS prison population is in the US . So, you might not be chopping heads off or stoning people , but you really can't point fingers . Compared to all other developed countries in the world the USA is barbaric. (Sorry for bursting your bubble , but you would have found out sooner or later )
littlebill31
Smells of Raw Fuel
First, I am all for guns laws. Outlaw them, I don't care. They will still be around. They should make it a law to transfer a gun through an FFL dealer for private sales. Why don't they then? I am trying to point out that the laws do not work, so why make more?
Your right. Legal gun owners buy guns for bad people. I never said they didn't. It's called "Strawing". Ever bought a gun in the US? No? Ok then. Let me inform you our OUR laws.
It's on the form 4473 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473 and it says on the form that it is illegal to purchase a gun for someone who is not allowed to own one. Hell, question 1 asks if you are buying the gun for yourself. Do these laws get enforced by our police? NOPE. I have called the police on several people because they were turned down and then someone else tried to buy the gun for them. The police told me there was nothing they could do unless the person (illegal) was caught with the gun. Illegal search and seizure to just ransack someone's house because a gun sales person said a guy "might" have bought a gun for a felon. Another discrimination law. They need evidence. So right there is a flaw.
500,00 guns are stolen each year so don't tell me all the guns used in crimes are from the original owner.
Another thing is that all guns are sold with a lock. It's the law. And if your gun is stolen, taken without your consent or used in anyway to commit a crime, then the owner is held responsible. It's the law!!!!! But the law does not get enforced.
The mother of that kid was not a paranoid gun owner. She was an avid target shooter. Her family and friends said she loved to target shoot. Now, her kid on the other hand, the one that the babysitters were instructed to, "Not let him out of your sight", is a different story. Might want to read her family history if you think she had some nice little kid. She should not have had guns in the house with him around.
And I never suggested that guns are coming in from Mexico. If I did, please show me where. I said how can they stop guns from being sold illegally in the US, guns that are already here, when they, as an example, cannot stop people and drugs crossing our boarders that are guarded. It's an example.
Heroin, meth, cocaine and a whole lot of other things kill people everyday. illegal things. Things that are governed by laws. Laws that don't work and do not get enforced.
Until we figure out a way to stop violence, then we will always have these problems. We are humans. We fight over woman. We fight when we get drunk. We hit, we steal, we kill, we rape, we destroy, we do evil, violent things. We even make movies about these things for entertainment. Now that is sick. And that, as you say, "is just wrong". Paying money to watch people get hurt or come to a violent end. Paying money to play a game to pretend to kill. Remember that next you indulge in the pleasures of mortality.
The only thing I am happy about is that I don't have kids. So I don't have to be the parent when one turns out to be a piece of shit, then blame society for me failing as a parent.
Your right. Legal gun owners buy guns for bad people. I never said they didn't. It's called "Strawing". Ever bought a gun in the US? No? Ok then. Let me inform you our OUR laws.
It's on the form 4473 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_4473 and it says on the form that it is illegal to purchase a gun for someone who is not allowed to own one. Hell, question 1 asks if you are buying the gun for yourself. Do these laws get enforced by our police? NOPE. I have called the police on several people because they were turned down and then someone else tried to buy the gun for them. The police told me there was nothing they could do unless the person (illegal) was caught with the gun. Illegal search and seizure to just ransack someone's house because a gun sales person said a guy "might" have bought a gun for a felon. Another discrimination law. They need evidence. So right there is a flaw.
500,00 guns are stolen each year so don't tell me all the guns used in crimes are from the original owner.
Another thing is that all guns are sold with a lock. It's the law. And if your gun is stolen, taken without your consent or used in anyway to commit a crime, then the owner is held responsible. It's the law!!!!! But the law does not get enforced.
The mother of that kid was not a paranoid gun owner. She was an avid target shooter. Her family and friends said she loved to target shoot. Now, her kid on the other hand, the one that the babysitters were instructed to, "Not let him out of your sight", is a different story. Might want to read her family history if you think she had some nice little kid. She should not have had guns in the house with him around.
And I never suggested that guns are coming in from Mexico. If I did, please show me where. I said how can they stop guns from being sold illegally in the US, guns that are already here, when they, as an example, cannot stop people and drugs crossing our boarders that are guarded. It's an example.
Heroin, meth, cocaine and a whole lot of other things kill people everyday. illegal things. Things that are governed by laws. Laws that don't work and do not get enforced.
Until we figure out a way to stop violence, then we will always have these problems. We are humans. We fight over woman. We fight when we get drunk. We hit, we steal, we kill, we rape, we destroy, we do evil, violent things. We even make movies about these things for entertainment. Now that is sick. And that, as you say, "is just wrong". Paying money to watch people get hurt or come to a violent end. Paying money to play a game to pretend to kill. Remember that next you indulge in the pleasures of mortality.
The only thing I am happy about is that I don't have kids. So I don't have to be the parent when one turns out to be a piece of shit, then blame society for me failing as a parent.
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littlebill31
Smells of Raw Fuel
And again, we can keep arguing and yelling and typing and whatever about guns. But until our "leaders" do something about it, more people will be killed. So, until then. I'm going to go eat something that used to have a face.
JAGUARGOD
XS650 Addict
I agree with you littlebill.....more laws would mean nothing, just more laws that dont work. I was reading online that the guns found at the Sandy hook school were not in fact "assault rifles", but pistols. The "long gun " was found in the trunk of a car, unfired.
Anyone else see this? If wrong please correct me and show me a source. Kev.
Anyone else see this? If wrong please correct me and show me a source. Kev.
Scrambled
Motorcycle Man
Cool, I wasn't trying to be hostile Bill, I addressed you because you seem to have a better understanding about the gun culture than some folks on here do. Hell, I am not even anti gun , but it should be obvious that more people with more guns is not making society safer . I was a trucker for a long time . I stopped going Stateside many years ago . I like a lot of things in the States and met some great people but the national pass seems to be paranoia and is only getting worse.
I helped raise 3 kids . None of them tuned out bad , in fact none of them has been any trouble at all. Pretty good considering I am a bad ass .
