That might have been the South's critical mistake. I've read that there might have been no legal reason the South couldn't secede. But once the South attacked the fort, the North had a good excuse to put the South down militarily.
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That might have been the South's critical mistake. I've read that there might have been no legal reason the South couldn't secede. But once the South attacked the fort, the North had a good excuse to put the South down militarily.
You're absolutely correct!
I live in Gillespie county, Texas. Pop. 25,000 Area 1000 sq miles.
From 2000 - 2008 there have been 2 murders in Gillespie county.
This is a rural area, largely ranching, retirees (many ex-military), construction, tourism.
This is a heavily armed area. But, firearms are not worshipped or brandished. They are regarded as a normal possession, like a pocketknife or a truck.
We don't understand how disarming us makes the country safer.
We don't understand why anti-gunners despise and fear us.
Long ago, an idiot in California tried to prune his hedges with a lawnmower, cut his fingers off.
Now, all my lawnmowers cost more and have safety grab-bars.
Interesting how the actions of one far-away individual affects everyone.
http://recordspedia.com/Texas/Gillespie-County/Crime-Statistics
http://www.fredericksburg-texas.com/chamber/relocation.aspx
http://www.clrsearch.com/Sitemap/Texas/Gillespie-County
Texas hill country, biker country, mild winters, lots to see and do.
And the next town over is Luckenbach. Can you imagine the people this song is about blastin up the place? I think not. The problem is irresponsible sensational media. Yellow journalism. Like the "newspaper" Piers used to head up back in Blighty.
This is all a product of news sensationalism for ratings, and career politicians milking a constituency.
I do not think people care one bit that they have an inaccurate picture - I believe they prefer to have something to hate and to argue about. That is why it's impossible to change peoples' thoughts on it. But Everybody's Somebody in Luckenbach © .
I do not think people care one bit that they have an inaccurate picture - I believe they prefer to have something to hate and to argue about. That is why it's impossible to change peoples' thoughts on it. But Everybody's Somebody in Luckenbach © .
Hey-hey xjwmx, you betcha!
'Ol' Waylon swung by our shop somewhere late `76, early `77, bought one of our closeout Honda 125's, and scampered back to Luckenbach. Only time enuff for a howdy, I'll take that one, and 'gotta go'. Dangit, didn't think to get his autograph, but he was in a hurry, musta been a 'Willie' cosmic cowboy party waitin'.
'Ol' Waylon swung by our shop somewhere late `76, early `77, bought one of our closeout Honda 125's, and scampered back to Luckenbach. Only time enuff for a howdy, I'll take that one, and 'gotta go'. Dangit, didn't think to get his autograph, but he was in a hurry, musta been a 'Willie' cosmic cowboy party waitin'.
thats the first sensible thing you've said acebars.
It seems to me that it is invariably those that have never owned or shot a firearm that have the loudest voice in promoting no firearms.
I once had a great hobby collecting and shooting classic and vintage full bore target pistols in competition at Bisley until the Government caved in to the lobbyist's . Since handing our legally owned handguns in in 1997 there are even more guns in circulation in the UK and most of them are illegal.
My personal view is that everyone wishing to buy and hold a firearm should be required to register for a firearm certificate and take and pass a manditory NRA gun safety instruction course.
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Oh, peanut, I feel for ya. But, listen, pack up the wife, bike and cats, head on out thisaway, and you can pick up where you left off (other britts have done this).
Got a firing range waiting for you...
weaselbeak
XS650 Junkie
"My personal view is that everyone wishing to buy and hold a firearm should be required to register for a firearm certificate and take and pass a manditory NRA gun safety instruction course."
And that would violate the second amendment, no? " the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Passing any gun law is an infringement. On the other hand, everybody possessing the ability to shoot you dead does not carry the same opportunity for carnage in Moscow, Idaho as it would in a Houston or Atlanta slum. It's not black and white. We all believe in gun control to a degree, or you would think it ok for your neighbor to have a loaded howitzer pointed at your kid's bedroom window. That is an exaggeration, but makes the point.
And that would violate the second amendment, no? " the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Passing any gun law is an infringement. On the other hand, everybody possessing the ability to shoot you dead does not carry the same opportunity for carnage in Moscow, Idaho as it would in a Houston or Atlanta slum. It's not black and white. We all believe in gun control to a degree, or you would think it ok for your neighbor to have a loaded howitzer pointed at your kid's bedroom window. That is an exaggeration, but makes the point.
Someone once said to me anybody should be allowed to own a gun. I was taken aback until I worked it through. Think of an argument for some variety of gun control. Then do your honest best to formulate a counter argument to that. If you do that enough you may end up supporting no controls at all.
You're making the same mistake as a person who assumes guns are trouble. There are limits to what you're allowed to do with your gun. If you brandish it and get caught you'll go to jail for a long time. Those laws aren't gun control laws.
jd750ace
Front Toward Enemy
Have a look at this:
http://cbskhitschicago.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/policetotals.png
Bear in mind, folks from afar, this is in a city where it is ILLEGAL to posess a firearm without a written permit from a judge, chief of police, or the mayor. Most of us live in FREE America. New York City is also "legally" gun free, and is second in annual murders by firearm. Every place in this country that has highly restrictive firearms possession laws has significantly higher assault, murder, and property crime rates. Those of us that live out of the metro areas hardly ever hear of any murder, regardless of the type of weapon involved.
Also bear in mind that from 1993-2003, there was the brady bill and the "ban" We have more guns than ever in the United States today, and the rate of homicide by firearm is actually dropping. Go figure that one out.
I don't give 2 shits what you read on Wiki, I have a couple of AR-15s, and spent my youngest adulthood in the United States Army traveling to 19 countries on 4 continents, and was shot at in 5 of them, and I will tell you that an AR-15 and an M-16 are NOT the same device, and it matters not. People who are fucked in the head are everywhere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–12)
Outlaw knives, cleavers, and hammers next? Is my axe an assault axe because it has a shorter handle, is easy to conceal, has a wrist lanyard and is sharp on 2 sides? Is a butchers block full of kitchen knives an assault block?
We have some pretty stupid laws over here, and I'll give you a good idea how stupid. Under the attempted reinstatement of the assault weapons ban a couple of years ago, the two items pictured would be BY LAW "assault weapons" and if you killed someone with one of them, would carry the proposed double sentence that law would have imposed as well.
I also attached a picture of the gift pistol I'm sending to that loud mouthed Morgan fella, one of my favorite T-shirts, and some attic plunder from a friend's house.
Y'all take care of your buggerers and purse snatchers over there however you want, and just don't worry about how many Americans get killed with what. The next time someone wants to take you Island away, we'll loan you some rifles AGAIN, since you fellas like to melt 'em all down before the ink is dry on the articles of surrender.
Your Welcome. Twice.
http://cbskhitschicago.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/policetotals.png
Bear in mind, folks from afar, this is in a city where it is ILLEGAL to posess a firearm without a written permit from a judge, chief of police, or the mayor. Most of us live in FREE America. New York City is also "legally" gun free, and is second in annual murders by firearm. Every place in this country that has highly restrictive firearms possession laws has significantly higher assault, murder, and property crime rates. Those of us that live out of the metro areas hardly ever hear of any murder, regardless of the type of weapon involved.
Also bear in mind that from 1993-2003, there was the brady bill and the "ban" We have more guns than ever in the United States today, and the rate of homicide by firearm is actually dropping. Go figure that one out.
I don't give 2 shits what you read on Wiki, I have a couple of AR-15s, and spent my youngest adulthood in the United States Army traveling to 19 countries on 4 continents, and was shot at in 5 of them, and I will tell you that an AR-15 and an M-16 are NOT the same device, and it matters not. People who are fucked in the head are everywhere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_(2010–12)
Outlaw knives, cleavers, and hammers next? Is my axe an assault axe because it has a shorter handle, is easy to conceal, has a wrist lanyard and is sharp on 2 sides? Is a butchers block full of kitchen knives an assault block?
We have some pretty stupid laws over here, and I'll give you a good idea how stupid. Under the attempted reinstatement of the assault weapons ban a couple of years ago, the two items pictured would be BY LAW "assault weapons" and if you killed someone with one of them, would carry the proposed double sentence that law would have imposed as well.
I also attached a picture of the gift pistol I'm sending to that loud mouthed Morgan fella, one of my favorite T-shirts, and some attic plunder from a friend's house.
Y'all take care of your buggerers and purse snatchers over there however you want, and just don't worry about how many Americans get killed with what. The next time someone wants to take you Island away, we'll loan you some rifles AGAIN, since you fellas like to melt 'em all down before the ink is dry on the articles of surrender.
Your Welcome. Twice.
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Hahaha, JD, you come up with some of the best stuff! You can be my wingman anytime!
Excessively accessorized assault bat, that's rich. Guess my idea for an oil drain plug wrench with forward grip, lighting and optical aid can proceed.
Nobody's been complaining about military grade assault dogs yet...
Excessively accessorized assault bat, that's rich. Guess my idea for an oil drain plug wrench with forward grip, lighting and optical aid can proceed.
Nobody's been complaining about military grade assault dogs yet...
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Lightning breasts woman.
Every time the people, (who this thread was started about), are mentioned the more they are worth. The names are flagged and the more they are mentioned the more advertising money is linked to them making them more and more powerful. They love it so the ones complaining about them keep them out there.
No one will convince the other on gun Control/problems because both sides are fixed in there opinions and think the other side has no right to tell them what rights they should have.
The second amendment Keeps getting trotted out and used as an excuse for the right to have a gun.
Where is the outrage of the erosion of your first amendment and right to privacy and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. all of the above have been encroached and stomped upon buy your government and social media yet there is no outrage or rallies or lobbing against that.
Moving prisoners offshore to water-board them because it is illegal in your own country. Social media gives, ( under the guise of sharing with your friends), your information to others automatically and you can't opt out.
Religious fanaticism is alive and well with the largest private army funded by Christian fanatics that started the Iraq war and used the war to fund that army. Their first contract was worth just over $100,000 and within a couple of years the contracts were worth over $1 billion. The contractors were immune to prosecution of any way shape or form in Iraq or in the States for any crime committed. The real soldiers had no such luxury.
Every time the people, (who this thread was started about), are mentioned the more they are worth. The names are flagged and the more they are mentioned the more advertising money is linked to them making them more and more powerful. They love it so the ones complaining about them keep them out there.
No one will convince the other on gun Control/problems because both sides are fixed in there opinions and think the other side has no right to tell them what rights they should have.
The second amendment Keeps getting trotted out and used as an excuse for the right to have a gun.
Where is the outrage of the erosion of your first amendment and right to privacy and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. all of the above have been encroached and stomped upon buy your government and social media yet there is no outrage or rallies or lobbing against that.
Moving prisoners offshore to water-board them because it is illegal in your own country. Social media gives, ( under the guise of sharing with your friends), your information to others automatically and you can't opt out.
Religious fanaticism is alive and well with the largest private army funded by Christian fanatics that started the Iraq war and used the war to fund that army. Their first contract was worth just over $100,000 and within a couple of years the contracts were worth over $1 billion. The contractors were immune to prosecution of any way shape or form in Iraq or in the States for any crime committed. The real soldiers had no such luxury.
Rush2112
Working Man
Every time the people, (who this thread was started about), are mentioned the more they are worth. The names are flagged and the more they are mentioned the more advertising money is linked to them making them more and more powerful. They love it so the ones complaining about them keep them out there.
Well done good argument....
No one will convince the other on gun Control/problems because both sides are fixed in there opinions and think the other side has no right to tell them what rights they should have.
A spirited debate is necessary for the ignorant to be educated.....
The second amendment Keeps getting trotted out and used as an excuse for the right to have a gun.
This is propaganda Josef Goebbels would be proud.... It's the second amendment....not and Excuse...Duh...
Where is the outrage of the erosion of your first amendment and right to privacy and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. all of the above have been encroached and stomped upon buy your government and social media yet there is no outrage or rallies or lobbing against that.
Great argument! Sounds like Tyranny to me!
Moving prisoners offshore to water-board them because it is illegal in your own country. Social media gives, ( under the guise of sharing with your friends), your information to others automatically and you can't opt out.
Another great argument! DAG! Let me load up another mag!
Religious fanaticism is alive and well with the largest private army funded by Christian fanatics that started the Iraq war and used the war to fund that army. Their first contract was worth just over $100,000 and within a couple of years the contracts were worth over $1 billion. The contractors were immune to prosecution of any way shape or form in Iraq or in the States for any crime committed. The real soldiers had no such luxury.[/QUOTE]
This is very Vague ............ A whole lotta of Americans did not like nor endorsed the Iraq war..... not a very well laid out argument but I'll load another mag just in case!
Kinda sounds like Tyranny on foreign people....
Well done good argument....
No one will convince the other on gun Control/problems because both sides are fixed in there opinions and think the other side has no right to tell them what rights they should have.
A spirited debate is necessary for the ignorant to be educated.....
The second amendment Keeps getting trotted out and used as an excuse for the right to have a gun.
This is propaganda Josef Goebbels would be proud.... It's the second amendment....not and Excuse...Duh...
Where is the outrage of the erosion of your first amendment and right to privacy and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. all of the above have been encroached and stomped upon buy your government and social media yet there is no outrage or rallies or lobbing against that.
Great argument! Sounds like Tyranny to me!
Moving prisoners offshore to water-board them because it is illegal in your own country. Social media gives, ( under the guise of sharing with your friends), your information to others automatically and you can't opt out.
Another great argument! DAG! Let me load up another mag!
Religious fanaticism is alive and well with the largest private army funded by Christian fanatics that started the Iraq war and used the war to fund that army. Their first contract was worth just over $100,000 and within a couple of years the contracts were worth over $1 billion. The contractors were immune to prosecution of any way shape or form in Iraq or in the States for any crime committed. The real soldiers had no such luxury.[/QUOTE]
This is very Vague ............ A whole lotta of Americans did not like nor endorsed the Iraq war..... not a very well laid out argument but I'll load another mag just in case!
Kinda sounds like Tyranny on foreign people....
Purplezinger
XS650 Addict
Couldn't said it better myself. Dead on true. Well done.
Purplezinger
XS650 Addict
Couldn't said it better myself. Dead on true. Well done.
acebars
XS650 Addict
It seems to me that it is invariably those that have never owned or shot a firearm that have the loudest voice in promoting no firearms.
Peanut you traitor!
I don't shoot anymore for time reasons and as I'm not in the countryside, but more than 7 years ago, we'd go out all the time with shotguns either just for informal treks or organised shoots (partridge, pheasant and fowl etc.) and .22s in the garden, I've also been to ranges several times to fire GPMGs and SA80s and I believe even more guns should be controlled!
I'm sorry about what happened in your case (could you not have donated them to a gun club?) my uncle was part of such a club, but in the case of American gun culture, I wouldn't be happy if my neighbour had a GPMG, would you?
It's not about getting rid of guns, it's what guns should be allowed!
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I wouldn't be happy if my neighbour had a GPMG, would you?
It's not about getting rid of guns, it's what guns should be allowed!
Your neighbor could more easily wipe out your house with stuff from the gas station. Again, conditioned fear of the gun itself raises its head.
These guns are all privately owned, legally, by somebody's neighbor. A special permit is required for full automatic (e.g. gpmg). I doubt there has been a single homicide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knob_Creek_Gun_Range
jd750ace
Front Toward Enemy
I have a neighbor that hosts machine gun shoots at his property about every 6-8 weeks. No big deal. I worry more about their fireworks landing on my house or in my field than I do about any firearm. I worry more about drunk drivers and drivers with no license or insurance than I do about firearms. You also seem to not understand that the "raw numbers" do not reflect WHY people were killed with a firearm. It may surprise the shit out of you to find out that some people NEED to be killed, and those numbers are included in the big pot. Also, since 1990, on average, over 60% of the firearms related deaths in the U.S. are either justifiable homicide by a police officer or citizen, or what we like to call "scum on scum" shooting. One druggie caps another, nothing is lost to me. That bag of shit ain't supporting his bastard children anyway.
Bear in mind also, the single bloodiest "firearms related incident" of the past 30 years in our country remains the Waco siege, with 10 killed in the gun battle, and 76 "protected to death" in the inferno. Government in action. Indeed.
Bear in mind also, the single bloodiest "firearms related incident" of the past 30 years in our country remains the Waco siege, with 10 killed in the gun battle, and 76 "protected to death" in the inferno. Government in action. Indeed.
acebars
XS650 Addict
Yes but it is is a defunct amendment made for the late 18th and 19th centuries and it needs to be "amended". What you should have is locked up public armouries (I think you did have these once upon a time) filled with Abrams tanks, Heavy rocketry and Apache helicopters and your own personal military grade equipment, locked up with access to a range and not available to every Tom, Dick and Harry in their own homes. That's if you really want a 2nd amendment that works?
Your M-16s and small arms are not going to stop tyranny, I keep repeating with no answer what are you going to do storm the White House? When like I have said they have the US Army, High tech rocketry, Strike Drones, ICBMs, Nukes, Abrams and Apaches?
What your M-16s will do is cause massacres in schools every couple of years. I'm not arguing about not having guns, I am arguing about military grade weapons being available to the public.
Not the same, because a Gas station is not as easy to point and press the trigger with and I can't easily take a gas or a gas station into a high density public place to detonate it. Even a molotov cocktail is nothing like taking a high powered assault rifle into a school. Weapons are designed to kill, gas stations provide you volatile fuel for transportation.
You are suggesting a sort of social Darwinism? (Which in my opinion still doesn't make it right) But what happens when a completely innocent bystander gets caught in with those people you say "NEED" to be killed. How about the 3000 deaths per year from gun accidents alone in the states, so 3000 people went hunting and one idiot shot another? How can that be justified when the idiot who took the shot lives on?
I actually have no issues with gun clubs etc. so long as it is highly controlled, i.e. someone from the Police is present to show that all the high powered military grade firearms are counted and stored in a secure lock up and not available to the public in people's homes. It is the ease of dissemination of military grade weapons that is the problem.
I'm not talking about taking away your hunting rifles..
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