Wanted - XS1B Color Matching Chip/Part

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A bit of a long shot...

I'm wanting to paint my chopper/bobber project with the XS1B "candy orange" offered in 71, but there really isn't any info on this color out there... most places I've talked to would need some sort of color chip to match to.

Just wondering if anyone has any damaged or un-needed: side covers, headlight stays, shock covers that they would be willing to part with for the purposes of color matching...
 
House of Kolor (HOK) Aztek gold on their finest silver metal flake base will do the job!
The shock in the first pic is factory paint. The rest is HOK paint by Bluemoon Kustoms Oshkosh, WI

Wait maybe you mean the orange seen in Europe and Oceania? I don't think that color made it to North America.
 

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I think that's the orange I'm looking for, but has anyone come close to matching that "candy" color/effect with a metallic base/clear coat?
 
gggGary , you are right on about the color it was only available on bike's that were sent to , Australia , Oceania and a very small number went to England ,and there is no colour code you can get from Yamaha , but Gary has got about the closest match . I tried to match the colour for my XS1 but most people that I talked to ("spray painter's " ) all said the same thing it was a one off colour for that year . so " Oddjob " go with H.O.K paint you won't get a much closer match , hope that help's .
P.S You have to remember the " shocker " in the pix has got 40 odd year's of wear and tear , and light fading , so the match is really good .
 
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Just to be clear ( minor pun) The factory laid the white stripes first then masked them off and sprayed a silver metal flake base followed by a "candy color" and clear. I don't quite understand that spraying order. We laid the base, candy, then masked and sprayed the white followed by clear coat.
70 through 72 green, gold, red use a very fine silver metallic, the 73 blue uses a bigger metal flake size. I have gotten very satusfactory to me colors for the 70-73 years using HOK candies. IMHO don't obsess too much on "exact" color, I have compared quite a few early parts from different bikes, looking at areas that were shielded from sun fading and the amount of "candy" sprayed varied considerably, probably each painters interpretation of the "right" amount of color "depth". My guess is that painters would spray "sets or batches" that would stay together so the parts put on bikes "matched".
Spent some time on the HOK site and they have changed the system quite a bit color names have changed and so has the paint. you will probably need to find color sets at a distributor to pick the best match. One painter I used made me come and watch him spray the candy, tell him when it was the right depth of green on a 70. Fun stuff!

From skulls excellent post that "oceania" orange was an XS2 color

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All of this is just what we think, Skull somewhere says that the Australia distributors had a choice of which colors to import back in the day. Which seems like it makes sense, each market would have different color preferences. Sending bikes sprayed "harley orange and black" to the USA might not have gone well in 72........
An interesting thread about colors http://www.xs650.com/threads/yamahas-color-code-system.1351/

A 71 I owned back in about 1975 in it's original paint. A digital photo, of a print photo, shown on your monitor, LOL

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From a European XS site. http://www.yamahaxs650.dk/om/stelnummer.htm
 
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...The factory laid the white stripes first then masked them off and sprayed a silver metal flake base followed by a "candy color" and clear. I don't quite understand that spraying order...

I *might* have an answer to that. Back in the day, a lot of us would shoot a complete coverage solid, mask it with the pinstripes, then shoot color (or reflective basecoat then candy). That's the way I did my green XS1B.

Asian imports have to survive the long saltwater trip. The corrosion resistance and paint technology over there was a bit intense. Honda employed electrostatic painting systems to get a good base layer to inhibit corrosion. I would think that the heavy solids were laid down first, because they were part of that anticorrosion system. Then the newer-fangled candy system could go over that. I seem to recall sanding down some tins back then that had that full coverage white over primer, with candy patterns atop that...
 
I can only note on this via my 10+ years of working at a shop that does classic restoration on cars, metal flake in my experience is best achieved by base-solid-clear/metallic mix-clear-sand-clear-sand, (this clear and sand process can continue to your hearts desire but a few layers of clear is always nessecary) Ive had mixed luck with pre mixed metallic paints, you loose an aspect of color control as mixes will vary in density by manufacturer and quality control, also there is the tendency for the flakes to pull differently then its base through the head of you spray gun, so flow pressure has to be adjusted accordingly based on your setup, hence my preference for one step at a time, you can nail any color out there on your own but it takes time and an eye.
 
No machine is able to get the correct color code, for the XS1B, has it his a tri-color paint:
1- one or two hands of white paint as base
2- several layers of yellow gold, this paint is some kind of transparent paint, has you apply layers on top of white you get the "deep yellow gold"
3- the clear coat ;)

The step two will give some kind of deepness to the paint, that will make it look different from different angles.

Search for Honda CB Candy Yellow, they used the same technics to paint it,
but their base was grey instead of white
(I think all japanese makers in the 70's had some kind of "deep gold yellow").

I found a German company in ebay that reproduces classic Japanese motorcycle paints, did not yet paint it
so cannot test for results,
the painter will probably do it in the next couple of weeks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RH-SPRITZLA...578692?hash=item4d0ada9404:g:o0AAAOSwc0FUnIUF
 
I had someone paint my bike with the House of Kolor (HOK) Aztek gold over their silver metal flake base. The gold had to be put on lightly or it got too dark. It is not an exact factory match but looks pretty good. I know he painted the tank white first then masked it and painted the silver and gold. Finally clear coated the whole tank.
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This is how it turn out,
A little to gold I think,

but that was due to the fact,
that the painter did not know how this paint works.
Probably the paint gun was not set correctly,

it has 4 layers of gold,
but I believe, if the paint gun sprayed a more thinner layer,
it would be possible to add more layers and with better results.
stopping before it get to goldish.

He run out of paint before being able to finish painting the other side cover (not in photos),
that cover has 2/3 layers and it's not so goldish.

It may not be visible in the photos, but it really looks like a transparent candy,
it's possible to see through the several layers of gold and get to the base paint.

The job is not perfect, but it turn out ok.

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Look at the color on this Chevy Cruze in this video. The color is called Orange Burst Metallic. It is pretty close to the XS1B color. I saw one in the sunlight and it looks even better.

 
The candy colors varied alot. I think I have seen 71s from europe very close to the color you have.
 
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