How long do these motors last before rebuild

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So, like the title says, is there any kind of average lifespan before they need valves done, new pistons, cam chain and tensioner, etc.
I'm just curious because my new to me XS has 23,000 miles on the clock, and I have no idea what to expect, or if anything on my bike has already been done.
I'm curious to hear your experience.
Thanks Bob
 
My '71 green slug has about 25k, untouched top/bottom.
Needs everything on your list.
Still runs, tho'...
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And i bet it runs great for just tooling around.
Years ago it was said a car engine was good up to 100,000 miles, then needed tending. Id put that equates to 30k? For a bike. I have a water cooled 2003 suzuki with 18k miles. If nothing drastc happens between now and 36k im happy with that, ant that would be a top end job.
 
I think Pamco Pete said he ran one to close to 100k without tearing it down. Mine came apart at 68k to replace a separating crankshaft, not a common problem but not unheard of either I gather. At 68k there was no cylinder wear to speak of. The two upper ring gaps were in spec. The two oil ring gaps were very out of spec although the bike wasn't smoking. The valves and seats were ok. The stem seals on the intake side looked okay, on the exhaust side they were disintegrated. I put in a crank, rings, and stem seals. A couple of the places I was looking for a crank at were surprised it hadn't made 100k. I think if it hadn't been for the crank it would have made it easily.

Also, you will like to hear that by the time it needs something big, you will have so much experience with it that you will actually enjoy getting into it further. Probably no more information out there about how to do it on any bike as there is on this one. You don't need a lot of things like you see in pictures here, nice engine stands and work benches. I did mine outside on a patio using a free pallet as a combination engine stand and seat. Much worse than when a member came over once and I was sitting cross-legged in a driveway working on carbs. He was pretty sure I needed a clean room and surgical gown. I use mostly Pennzoil 20w50 on the recommendation of Pete, although he doesn't use it anymore. They supposedly removed some of what one beloved member referred to as "zink". But Pennzoil assures us there is still more than enough zink. If you want extra zink I read STP oil treatment is chock full of zink.

P.S. One thing I forgot was the front cam chain guide rubber was completely off. I think it had just happened. There was no big noise from it but I was noticing if the bike was on the side stand there was a slight whine, but not if upright. Much less dramatic than I would have expected! I guess the chain was rubbing against the side of the guide funny when it wasn't upright and that was making the noise.
 
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I think the age thing is what's getting most of them now. Even if there's no worn metal parts, the rubber stuff like the valve guide seals and front cam chain guide are failing. Head gaskets go on a lot of them too. You can probably go a couple seasons and sort all the little bugs out then plan on a topend "freshening". After that, I don't think 40 to 50K is unreasonable to expect from one of these if properly cared for. Or time-wise, maybe figure every 10 years or so.

But like XJ said, after a few years, if you're like many of us, you really get into this bike and want to do this stuff. By then you may have picked up lots of extra parts too. Personally I have amassed enough stuff to make a spare engine, which I intent to do. Then I can swap that in while re-doing the original. The Griz has a saying about motors - "one in the bike, one on the bench". That's my goal, lol.
 
Pretty good and tough engines. I ran my X650 racer for three seasons. We did two three hour endurances the first year and afterwards ten full bore 7500 rpm road races per season. Tuned 750 engine, about 55 HP at the rear wheel. Now it needs new pistons and crankshaft bearings. I'm rebuilding it now. The last few races I had to use a standard engine which ran just fine on short circuits with a shortened gearing. Only the last one was a problem, with a start-finish straight of 1250 m, where we ran out of revs.
 
It all depends on the other owners. I have taken some apart with 5,000 miles and looked terrible and I have had ones with over 25,000 and they looked like new. These were originally sold as a low cost get around bike just like the Honda twins. Not a race bike but a good everyday bike. Some used these on circle tracks and they were fast for there time as a twin on the track and also held up. I kick myself in the ass now because I junked or sold overseas so many of them when I got them on trades for new Hondas when I had my dealership. In 2005 I found 5 of them sitting in one of the garages me and my partner had that the city said garage was being sold for back taxes and about 100 bikes went to the scrap yard. I didn't start building them until 2007 and they were all around in the PA/NJ/NY/DEL/CT area so I bought up plenty. So they got GOOD LIFE and most were not abused.
 
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