eBait User Agreement Update

Has anyone read the latest eBait user agreement update yet? I`m not sure but as I interpret it they can now charge you a final value fee if someone "see`s" the item on eBait then buys it later after the auction ends and the item doesn`t sell in the eBait auction. Lets hear some thoughts on this one.

Can you copy the relevant portion of the update and post it here? Or provide a link to it?

The update was sent to me in a email and I can`t get it to copy and paste. Maybe someone else would have better luck with this task. The update was posted on eBait Sept 19.

as I interpret it that is about the jest of it !.... with no expiration date either... so if you list it once they can charge you 10 years down the road !
it's thievery pure and simple.... realestate people do the same thing... if you list a house for sale and it doesn't sale and they quit trying to sell it you are still bound by the contract if YOU sell the house yourself.... and they will charge you their normal commission ! but Usually that period ends in 6 months to a year..... but ebay doesn't say an ending date.... time to stop selling things on ebay fella's !!!!!!!!
the idea is to stop people trying to get out of paying the commission .... but it's totally wrong ! if you list an item for sale on ebay Now
and it doesn't sell on ebay it now says if you EVER sell it you must pay their commission.....
so their commission on ebay just went way, way UP ! ....
how many of thousands of people will list it on ebay and it don't sell and forget about it and then later sell it to somebody ?
according to them they can and will come after you for the commission.
typical big business any more,..... rip people off for no reason... just because they can ! the bottom line is all that matters !
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that is how I see it anyway...I hope I am wrong but I don't think so I saw no mention of a end date to their commission.
so you would have to take them to court, and I am sure it would be thrown out of court as it's not reasonable at all but they will fix that in time and put a ending date on it so it's LEGAL ..... in the mean time you can't use ebay till they fix it !.
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Bob.......

Here is the link:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html

As I read the new terms, it looks to be still OK to list something on eBay & Craigslist.
If the buyer sees the Craigslist ad & then buys the item, then eBay DOES NOT get a cut.
If the buyer contacts you via eBay & you respond that he can buy via Craigslist, then eBay DOES get a cut.

Don’t include contact info in an eBay ad.
If a potential buyer contacts you via eBay, then don’t let him try to cut eBay out of the sale.

I don’t see this a big issue, just some common sense.

I hope your right but what if I had a XS650 tank for sale on eBait and you knew who I was and contacted me through this site and bought it. I canceled the eBait ad because the item is no longer available. I would think ending a auction early for any reason would throw up a red flag at eBait. It would be your word against theirs on where the buyer first saw the item. The problem is that they have your PayPal and charge card account already if you are a confirmed member and from what I can see they can dip into it as they see fit either to get paid or resolve a dispute. Knowing eBait this is only a general overview of the update to the user agreement. I`m sure there are many more hidden fine print details. Hope Not.

https://esellercafe.com/ebay-sellers-may-pay-final-values-fees-off-platform-sales/
The above link has a copy of AND an assessment of the agreement change.
First, I don't think eBay can scour PayPal to try to find items that you listed on eBay but sold outside of eBay. I'm not a lawyer, but eBay and PayPal are separate, and that would absolutely be an invasion of privacy.

For me, what's important is the REQUIREMENT to REPORT sellers and buyers who meet on eBay but try to transact outside of eBay. That requirement is the teeth in the changes.
Everything else just sounds like threats. How is eBay going to know if the tank listing you cancelled ended up selling on Craigslist? All of the "Sellers are liable for final valuation fees" jargon is just scare tactics. Until you get REPORTED.

I am a "Top Rated" eBay seller. Being Top Rated gives me substantial discounts when I ship through eBay. So, I am not going to give anyone any cause to "report" me and thus jeopardize my Top Rated status. Which sucks. Buyers see what I am selling and ask me for related items all the time, and I always try to make those sales outside of eBay. Now, that is over.
If I was not Top Rated, I would say "screw you eBay." Prove that I am violating the new agreement. Then sanction me, and guess what?, when you don't allow me to sell, you don't get my listing and valuation fees. Great business model.

Aren't they just asking for the same deal as any selling agent? Be it a real estate agent, consignment shop, specialty sales shop. You list for a larger potential buyer pool in exchange you pay a fee or percentage as long as it listed.

The problem you'll have with ebay is extortion by the buyer, which ebay enables with their partial refund feature. It's especially a problem with high shipping cost items because you will be responsible for return shipping if you don't play. Policy should be changed back to full refund or nothing. A feature is not good just because it's new...

weekendrider said:

Aren't they just asking for the same deal as any selling agent? Be it a real estate agent, consignment shop, specialty sales shop. You list for a larger potential buyer pool in exchange you pay a fee or percentage as long as it listed.

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Yes I think that is the whole idea ...BUT they don't give a cut off time .... and that means forever to me !
and although some people sell regularly on ebay most of us do not .... Dogbunnys practice of selling other items not listed on ebay on creigs list for example aren't effected BUT if it is listed on Ebay then it is ! ....I guess they think everyone is seeing it on ebay and selling it in other ways to get out of the commission.... and if that's what is going on I suppose it's only smart of them to do it that way....
but for the regular Joe that tried to sell his bike on Ebay at a really high price and it didn't sell, and later he sells it at a much lower price he is still liable for the original prices commission.... so that tells me that I don't ever want to use Ebay to sell anything !
but I'm not in the business of selling a bunch of stuff either....
it is however a big advertisement pool... and if you want to reach thousands of people that's how to do it...but you gott'a play their game
and not weasel out of the commission fees..... which is only good business practices...their closing the loop holes !
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Bob........

Bob since we don't sell on eBay we aren't gonna get our panties all wadded up about it? Right? Let's leave it to the concerned participates.

LOL my panties are just fine thank you very much ! HAHAHAHA nope it's just another sign our society is headed for the shitter in a hand basket is all...... all businesses are like that any more ...par for the course !
.....Put some miles on that Bike WER !!!!
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Bob........

xjwmx. I know what your saying about the partial refund scam. I sold a running 45 year old McCulloch Go Kart motor on eBait a few years ago and the buyer contacted me about getting half his money back. He said the factory tolerances were on the low side. You can guess what my response was. He then opened a dispute with eBait. I had listed the motor condition as "for parts or not working" and the claim was dismissed by eBait. I guess he could read a micrometer but couldn`t read the ad. A week later the motor was on a kart and running. Imagine that! If I had listed it as "used" eBait probably would have ruled in his favor and took the refund from my PayPal account. In my opinion eBait is always a buyers market

^That's a perfect example of what I was talking about. I wasn't very clear. Imagine if you could sell something and when it arrives demand more money, or they have to ship it back on their dime. I don't see a difference. Also -- I doubt a dispute ever sees a human mediator. Mediation has to be all AI and text scanning of the communications about the dispute. Could be their policies are all set mainly to simplify that problem.

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xjwmx. I know what your saying about the partial refund scam. I sold a running 45 year old McCulloch Go Kart motor on eBait a few years ago and the buyer contacted me about getting half his money back. He said the factory tolerances were on the low side. You can guess what my response was. He then opened a dispute with eBait. I had listed the motor condition as "for parts or not working" and the claim was dismissed by eBait. I guess he could read a micrometer but couldn`t read the ad. A week later the motor was on a kart and running. Imagine that! If I had listed it as "used" eBait probably would have ruled in his favor and took the refund from my PayPal account. In my opinion eBait is always a buyers market

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Your post proves the point that wording is important..............If.....you had posted "used item" then the condition is not clear..........if you post "Parts or not working" the post is clear and defined.............

There will always be scammers.........having a clear and defined heading is for the protection of the seller, if or when a buyer disputes the condition............Ebay policy worked for you the seller

I bought a set of carbs, the seller said they were used..............they arrived and they were unusable and only good for parts...........Same for a speedo, i had asked some questions and looked at the pics..........when it arrived the bezel had been removed in such a bad way it was worthless and the speedo was not working.............Sold as a "used" part............not "parts or not working"..........

There's a scam to end all scams that either a buyer or seller could use. Easy and foolproof. I googled it just now and it's known, but amazingly not common, apparently. In the end it's all like riding a motorcycle -- ultimately you have to trust people to not hit you. Motorcycle analogy of life. Nice idea. Could be a book...

If I was contemplating being an early investor in ebay, I would have turned it down after some thought because I would have thought that particular scam would have immediately flown it into the ground, like an empty airplane.

Ah.....right xj, proof is in the cryptic i know something but refuse to post the proof detail...........totally with it man agreed ............And pyramids are proof aliens exist

Da Vinci Code, just needs decoding.