I really would like to know...

Yes, it sounds like an XS650 isn't your best 1st choice, but do keep it in the back of your mind as a second "fixer-upper". You can still stumble across them cheap. My buddy and I found one for $200 about a year and a half ago. Of course it needed work, it had been sitting for 12 years, but it was complete and running way back then (just not charging, lol) .....

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I've spent probably about $300 on it so far, but that's over the course of a year and a half, so it's not breaking my bank (I'm retired on a fixed income too). It will require a few hundred more thrown at it, but it's up and running, and getting better with each little "tweak" I apply .....

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Latest "tweaks" include a fork overhaul, XS400 "1L9" clutch worm, and TCI timing change (slightly retarded).
Thats a sweet find..Thankyou for sharing your perspective and experiences..this helps me alot..I'd prefer a modern bike alongside a vintage one..I will keep this in mind...:cool:
 
View attachment 144003 not cheap but REALLY well fettled $3K


That bike is really nice! I would buy that all day long for that price!

Man! You guys back East have a whole different idea of what’s not cheap. I paid that much as a STARTING point for both of my bikes. For whatever reason we just don’t have that much inventory in the West or maybe they’ve all been cut up. But a nice running/ looking bike out here goes $4-5 thousand.
 
Since your mind is really set on the Bandit (And I don't blame you)...I won't try to talk you into the FZ1 which is my favorite (modern-ish) bike. I say modern-ish as I have a gen 1 version from 2001. Crazy power (mine has 138hp with some mods, but I heard the newer ones are up to 150hp), but smooth as silk. It's a great all around touring/riding bike at about 450lbs, and can two-up without a second thought. Very similar to the bandit...but it's a YAMAHA of course. :)

My recommendation is to find your daily/reliable bike, and THEN get an XS650 to learn to wrench on. You can likely find someone's basket case for cheap and then you're not out a lot of $ but can still enjoy the vintage scene.
 
Yes, a 650 will educate you on which end of a wrench is which quite well, lol. But to me, that's part of the fun. These are straightforward machines and easy to work on. Most of the parts and components are where you'd expect them to be and there's very little in the way of "oddball" design features.
 
Since your mind is really set on the Bandit (And I don't blame you)...I won't try to talk you into the FZ1 which is my favorite (modern-ish) bike. I say modern-ish as I have a gen 1 version from 2001. Crazy power (mine has 138hp with some mods, but I heard the newer ones are up to 150hp), but smooth as silk. It's a great all around touring/riding bike at about 450lbs, and can two-up without a second thought. Very similar to the bandit...but it's a YAMAHA of course. :)

My recommendation is to find your daily/reliable bike, and THEN get an XS650 to learn to wrench on. You can likely find someone's basket case for cheap and then you're not out a lot of $ but can still enjoy the vintage scene.
I compared the FZ-1 to the Bandit 1250...and the FZ-1 makes its peak torque at something like 13000 rpms and the Bandit's max torque is well within 8000 rpms max...While the bandit is only 100 hp..it feels like more..plus i already have an RDL saddle from the last Bandit....I like your suggestions and you make some good points..Thanks :D
 
Yes, a 650 will educate you on which end of a wrench is which quite well, lol. But to me, that's part of the fun. These are straightforward machines and easy to work on. Most of the parts and components are where you'd expect them to be and there's very little in the way of "oddball" design features.
and no damn plastic tupperware to remove and fight to get back on..like my ST1100s.. removing the tupperware became a tupper-war...:banghead:
 
Wow.....that looks turnkey to me....

ZACKLEY!

The point is that, in contrast to some other vertical twins of the day, the 1970s-80s Yamaha XS650 was, in its day, one of the most reliable, dependable, you-CAN’T-break-it bikes - and a really well sort-out XS650 in 2019 would be just as good.

In about April 1978 while I was a student, I bought a well-used 1975 XS650B that had more than 15,000 miles on it for $900. I rode the wheels off that thing for three years and put nearly 75,000 MORE miles on it (I LIVED on that bike). During that time, I had a series of exciting and fun issues with alternator brushes and I did a valve job on it, plus it broke a drive chain master link (possibly my fault) and as a result, I had to have a cracked case welded - but otherwise, that thing was a reliable as a chunk of concrete. It was certainly MUCH better than any car I could have afforded and more dependable than any of the British, German or Japanese bikes most of my riding buddies were on.

I had no (and I mean ZERO) problems with carbs, petcocks, alternator rotors or stators, voltage regulators or rectifiers, timing chain guides, ignition systems, brake hydraulic systems, steering head or swing arm bearings, starter gear #4 or fuel tank rust. In my view, the reasons that many of us now have to occasionally wrench on our XS650s to keep them going in 2019 are:
  • many of the original (chiefly electrical) parts are old and getting a bit worn out;
  • many of the “modern” replacement parts are not made correctly and this is affecting the present-day reliability of the bikes;
  • some people are doing things to the bikes now that these machines were not designed to do - and this is likely affecting reliability.
The outcome of those three factors is that many of the bikes - which are now around 40+ years old - require a bit of TLC if you want to ride them on a regular basis. I ride my present 1976 XS650C Standard all the time (more than 8,800 miles or about 14,000+ km, in three years) and I spend maybe 5-20 minutes/week cleaning, tightening and wiping. I have done a couple of repairs - but none of these took more than a few hours or cost more than a few dollars with the exception of a top-end job on the engine which I farmed-out to a shop because I was desperately short of time.

BTW - my present bike (the infamous Lucille :yikes:) was a barn-find that I got in very rough shape. My restoration to-date has been somewhat ....superficial, as I really like riding rather than working on it and so she has never been COMPLETELY apart as some other bikes on this forum have. I’ll get there with nice new paint and factory decals on the tins and polished engine cases etc. - but for now, I’m happy to ride and occasionally fix as necessary.

My main point is that a really well-restored XS650 would likely be pretty darned near as reliable as a “modern” bike, particularly with innovations like roller bearing steering heads and solid state electronic voltage regulator-rectifier units etc. In addition, it will be a heck of a lot more satisfying to own (because YOU built it) and just as much fun to ride as anything you’ll find today on showroom floors for 5-10 times as much money.

Just my $0.02...

Pete
 
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My main point is that a really well-restored XS650 would likely be pretty darned near as reliable as a “modern” bike, particularly with innovations like roller bearing steering heads and solid state electronic voltage regulator-rectifier units etc. In addition, it will be a heck of a lot more satisfying to own (because YOU built it) and just as much fun to ride as anything you’ll find today on showroom floors for 5-10 times as much money.

Just my $0.02...

Pete
Well said Pete.
This has been my thoughts all along... a bike i would term "turnkey" is as you describe it..So I am not altogether wrong for using that term. A bike of fine calibre that has been well sorted already... And has been retrofitted with more modern upgrades yet still retains all of its appearances of being original....
Ben
 
That's how I like to do mine up - mostly stock looking but with many of the "tweaks" and minor upgrades you'll find written about here on the site. It usually takes a few seasons to implement all these things but that's fine. I get the bike up and running, and then I can "ride and wrench" it. I also like adding the tweaks one or two at a time because it allows me to see and feel the difference they've made.

My first and current "main" 650 is a '78 model. I've had it nearly 14 years now and it's fixed up to the point where I can't think of much more to do to it, lol. Hence the acquisition of a second one. This "new" bike is a later model that has completely different carbs and some electrical system differences compared to the '78. This will give me the chance to learn all about this "new" stuff. Will it be better than the '78? Only time will tell I guess. So far, it isn't, but there's still lots to do to it.

My '78 when I first rolled it out back in '05 .....

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..... and a few years later with many more mods, almost too numerous to list. Obviously you can see the external stuff like the bags and fork brace, but there's much, much more "under the hood", lol .....

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Someday, I hope to get the '83 up to a comparable level.
 
That's how I like to do mine up - mostly stock looking but with many of the "tweaks" and minor upgrades you'll find written about here on the site. It usually takes a few seasons to implement all these things but that's fine. I get the bike up and running, and then I can "ride and wrench" it. I also like adding the tweaks one or two at a time because it allows me to see and feel the difference they've made.

My first and current "main" 650 is a '78 model. I've had it nearly 14 years now and it's fixed up to the point where I can't think of much more to do to it, lol. Hence the acquisition of a second one. This "new" bike is a later model that has completely different carbs and some electrical system differences compared to the '78. This will give me the chance to learn all about this "new" stuff. Will it be better than the '78? Only time will tell I guess. So far, it isn't, but there's still lots to do to it.

My '78 when I first rolled it out back in '05 .....

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..... and a few years later with many more mods, almost too numerous to list. Obviously you can see the external stuff like the bags and fork brace, but there's much, much more "under the hood", lol .....

spcM6FC.jpg


XYwoNiD.jpg


Someday, I hope to get the '83 up to a comparable level.
That is a fine looking machine!!!
 
If you're going to pick an old bike to own, it's best to choose one that had a long production run with many units produced in that time. Also a bike that was popular then and now. The 650 is such a machine. In fact, it may have a bigger following today than it did years back. And with places like this on the internet, we're able to share the knowledge we've gained on them and learn new stuff. Many of the little tweaks and updates we apply have just recently come to light, and I'm sure there will be more. Is the 650 perfect? Of course not, but we're working on it, lol.
 
… a buddy just got a Yamaha V Star.. 650 V twin....... nice bike.. he said a great cruiser... low seat....not a speed demon... eats miles..handles well.. a bit porky... but he loves it.... He scored his..nice..with leather factory bags.. $1000.oo
 
Thankyou all for your thoughts and points of view in answering the question on wether or not one bike..particularly an XS650 would be appropriate for me as per my situation..lack of tools and technical skills beyond normal maintenence etc...
I have owned vintage bikes before they were vintage so now that i am vintage..i wanted to have something that i could just totally rely on day in and day out..My last vintage bike was a 1979 Yamaha XS1100F. I was involved in an accident and wrecked that bike back in 2017.. So after that point I decided to just go modern. Thats when I got the Bandit..which i only had 11 months before i wrecked again..Damn it...
So in the course of this discussion ..with all of your eloquence in your praise of the XS650..It becomes clear that these aren't appropriate as an only bike as i need it to be..But if i had one as a 2nd bike it would be a much more ideal setup. Given my lack of mechanical skills and lack of tools I have concluded that the XS650 is not appropriate for me as aan only bike. As was suggested, i will prolly pritorize my savings towards the next modern bike and then perhaps find a cheap example of an XS650 to somehow work on and fix up...Not an impossible task..but highly improbable..in all honesty...
 
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ZACKLEY!

The point is that, in contrast to some other vertical twins of the day, the 1970s-80s Yamaha XS650 was, in its day, one of the most reliable, dependable, you-CAN’T-break-it bikes - and a really well sort-out XS650 in 2019 would be just as good.

In about April 1978 while I was a student, I bought a well-used 1975 XS650B that had more than 15,000 miles on it for $900. I rode the wheels off that thing for three years and put nearly 75,000 MORE miles on it (I LIVED on that bike). During that time, I had a series of exciting and fun issues with alternator brushes and I did a valve job on it, plus it broke a drive chain master link (possibly my fault) and as a result, I had to have a cracked case welded - but otherwise, that thing was a reliable as a chunk of concrete. It was certainly MUCH better than any car I could have afforded and more dependable than any of the British, German or Japanese bikes most of my riding buddies were on.

I had no (and I mean ZERO) problems with carbs, petcocks, alternator rotors or stators, voltage regulators or rectifiers, timing chain guides, ignition systems, brake hydraulic systems, steering head or swing arm bearings, starter gear #4 or fuel tank rust. In my view, the reasons that many of us now have to occasionally wrench on our XS650s to keep them going in 2019 are:
  • many of the original (chiefly electrical) parts are old and getting a bit worn out;
  • many of the “modern” replacement parts are not made correctly and this is affecting the present-day reliability of the bikes;
  • some people are doing things to the bikes now that these machines were not designed to do - and this is likely affecting reliability.
The outcome of those three factors is that many of the bikes - which are now around 40+ years old - require a bit of TLC if you want to ride them on a regular basis. I ride my present 1976 XS650C Standard all the time (more than 8,800 miles or about 14,000+ km, in three years) and I spend maybe 5-20 minutes/week cleaning, tightening and wiping. I have done a couple of repairs - but none of these took more than a few hours or cost more than a few dollars with the exception of a top-end job on the engine which I farmed-out to a shop because I was desperately short of time.

BTW - my present bike (the infamous Lucille :yikes:) was a barn-find that I got in very rough shape. My restoration to-date has been somewhat ....superficial, as I really like riding rather than working on it and so she has never been COMPLETELY apart as some other bikes on this forum have. I’ll get there with nice new paint and factory decals on the tins and polished engine cases etc. - but for now, I’m happy to ride and occasionally fix as necessary.

My main point is that a really well-restored XS650 would likely be pretty darned near as reliable as a “modern” bike, particularly with innovations like roller bearing steering heads and solid state electronic voltage regulator-rectifier units etc. In addition, it will be a heck of a lot more satisfying to own (because YOU built it) and just as much fun to ride as anything you’ll find today on showroom floors for 5-10 times as much money.

Just my $0.02...

Pete

Very well said Pete! JC
 
Wow that is beautiful..They dont come any nicer...and that has been thorughly gone through...This leaves me very conflicted..my saving grace is that i havent the cash on hand.......If i did then i would be hard pressed to resist...in fact i would throw conventional wisdom to the winds...Good luck with your sale..if by chance you have this in 2.5 months from now then perhaps we could talk...
 
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