Nutrition health and Weight loss

peanut said:

you'll have to explain that one to me Gary its gone completely over my head lol...

heres an interesting fact to ponder on.

take the Worlds top predator The Lion , King of beasts and pound for pound arguably the one of the strongest and most powerful mammals on the planet .
For 22+ hours every day they sleep to conserve energy

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Lion kills also are successful 1 time out of 3.........sleeping 22 hours per day saves energy for when it is needed eg, hunting.............Hunger is a natural occurrence for the lion and any hunting animal so in the natural order of things hunger is an every day thing .............

Man from as long as you want to go back, early hunter-gatherers would go hungry when going on a hunting trip or if they chased down a wounded animal for the final kill...........in a situation like that it could be hours on the chase and days since they had a fresh kill......In times of a hunting party going out they would have eaten berries or tubers they dug up or shoots and stems from certain plants for water...............On a kill, blood was drank, the soft organs were eaten on the site, liver, heart ect, and these organs and blood replenished fluid and essential vitamins like B and D, that are critical for organ and the body's healing for the exertion involved in the kill and for the trip back home carrying the meat.

Hunger i would contend is as natural for humans to endure as is a full belly.......and is a state of mind weather it is looked on as a negative or positive..........if the hunger feeling is the cause of over eating, be it in large meals or constant small ones. then it is a self control problem, embracing hunger and altering the minds thought process around hunger feelings will go a long way to a healthy diet and body

peanut said:

exercise is a modern invention because so many of us have become obese and diabetic due to eating an unhealthy diet.

Nobody exercised back in the 40s and 50s even the 60s we didn't need to because we ate healthy whole foods we prepared and cooked ourselves and we didn't continually snack all day and night on carbohydrates pastry cake biscuits bread rice etc so we wern't over weight and had no need to exercise.

Don't get me wrong I love sport and have been a successful athlete and swimmer but it wasn't to lose weight or get fit ...just the love of it and the competition with myself. My Father and Grandfather both lived well into their 90s and neither one exercised a single day in their lives !

I really enjoy jobs like cleaning T cutting and polishing my campervan or other essential jobs which give me great satisfaction and get my heart pumping a bit and I love my power walks in the countryside its the few times I can clear my mind of everything and just be in the moment

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I don't think that is quite true..........outdoor activities, gardening, walking and just doing maintenance around the house or to your own vehicles, are classed as, and encouraged today as exercise, gardening walking or biking to the store or friends places, even on the weekends, (remember the sunday drive), the family would drive somewhere and have a day out. It could be the park, the beach, a lake and all the physical activities involved like swimming running playing ball cricket and such.............these are the things that we don't do today that were done in the 40's, 50' and 60's............The old spud, was a as much as the staple consistent in the main meal of the day as meat........

Rice is a staple diet of the Asians.........never see fat Asians who live on a staple diet of rice...........

Processed foods, additives like food colouring, flavoring, salt content, and all those other additives are killing us and lack of self control due to the marketing machine that bombards us while we are sitting in our lazyboys scoffing on whatever is easy reach from the fridge that doesn't require getting up, walking outside to the garden pick the veges, prepare, cook and sit down at a table to slowly eat and enjoy the meal chewing each mouthful at least 20 times, (creates slaver to help brake down the food for a healthy gut............so we eat watching these adds, 20 min out of each hour of TV watching, getting more and more conditioned towards their goal eating in the wrong environment for healthy food consumption and living

You both are correct..exercise per se ..as an activity to promote physical fitness did not come about (in the USA) until the 1960s..i distinctly recall president Kennedy's commission on the promotion of physical fitness in the school systems.
The whole exercise industry was born. But before that exercise was thought of as just a recreational activity...and not promoted as physical fitness.
So much of what is promoted these days for consumers is a lie. The ease and convienience of processed foods... is time.. But the more you depend on others..the less well off you really are. In this case i mean dependant on the advice and availability of the things we eat today and trusting others to do for you what you should be doing for yourself..
Only the third world and the truly poverty stricken are hungry these days..Hunter gatherers have been replaced by a trip to Mickey D's and the like..Its so easy ..we dont even realize the vicious cycle we have put ourselves into..until its too late or until your Dr is telling you to wake up and make some big changes ..Educationally we are taught different food groups not taught carbohydrates vs ketones...Thats pretty much how it came about for me....My Dr told me to make some changes and i became self aware on what the true nutriton is that i need to be healthy...
Y'all take care...

As a footnote..My Dr was only partially correct..her diagnosis was correct and spot on. her attempt to remediate my issues with prescription drugs was ridiculous. for that is another lie..dependancy on drugs to fix what ails the body.A smart regimine of exercise and diet control are more effective than any drugs . My Dr put me on Metformin to treat pre stageT2 diabetes.. a big mistake. For me personally ..after 1 week Metformin was making me so sick i threw it away. That is when i came to the realization that i cannot depend upon anyone or thing other than my own self. So it was at that time i learned about the Keto diet... I have yet to return to see my Dr..its almost time for my yearly check up..She will be surprised... She only knows i stopped the metformin and was 'dieting'... I will tell her what i think is wrong with the over medicalized society we live in today...

TwoManyXS1Bs said:

Peanut, have I got a plan for you.
My firing range needs cleaning up.
Could use some help, trees and brush cut and hauled off.
It's only about 150 yards.
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mmmm now thats a very tempting invitation 2M

I have shot black powder on a few occasions in the past and found it great fun but never owned a gun or got into that mysterious murky world . It sounds like fantastic fun to be able to shoot full bore out in your garden /yard. In this country you would have a 10 man Police Armed Response Team surrounding your house within 10 minutes if you let a firearm off.

When i first started shooting back in 1990 the Gunsmith in the High Street of our local Town (4000 inhabitants) used to periodically come out of his workshop and test fire a gun into a few sand bags propped up in the corner of his tiny yard . Shoppers passing by would jump momentarily but then pass by and continue shopping like it was the most natural thing in the World . !

I sold my 1942 No4 Maltby Enfield .303 rifle a few years back because I had to travel too far in order to shoot and the Police and Government were just making everything a complete ballache especially the gun license .Although I had been shooting for decades a Bisley and passed various UKPSA practical shooting training courses I was still required to periodically do a full days training course in order to retain my shooting license safety certificate .

So few full bore rifle shooters left in the UK now so all the shops and armourers have gone and prices are consequently ridiculously high. A days rifle shooting now costing upwards of $45 for a few .303 rounds .

150 yds is a nice plinking distance but it would seem a little short to me as we used to sight our guns at 100 yds and then shoot 300, 400, 500, and 600 yds on the MOD range

I couldn't kill any living thing these days although sometimes I could throttle the family of badgers that keep tearing down my fences grrrrrrrrr. I believe that every single life is precious but I eat meat from the supermarket so I know how hypocritical that is . Like most folk I try not to dwell on the source of my packaged meat. If I had to visit a farm and follow a cow from farm to abattoir through the slaughter process I'm pretty sure that i would give up eating meat.

There is something honest and timeless in going out to kill and eat an animal in order to survive . Using every part of that animal whose life you have extinquished with respect, as all indigenous peoples have done for eons.
With so many animals and birds becoming endangered or extinct I find the whole idea of 'canned hunting' for pleasure ,abhorrent, selfish and irresponsible. Opinions on Hunting and killing animals for pleasure in the UK has become very polarised in recent years which is why we finally banned fox hunting but it still goes on as does badger baiting and rabbit & hare coursing . We won't be happy until we have squandered all the planets natural resources...

madmax-im said:

A smart regimine of exercise and diet control are more effective than any drugs . My Dr put me on Metformin to treat pre stageT2 diabetes.. a big mistake. ..........i came to the realization that i cannot depend upon anyone or thing other than my own self. So it was at that time i learned about the Keto diet......

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yes like everything else today it is so convenient for us to just take a pill to treat our chronic illness. The vast majority of us don't even realise that medication is simply treating the symptoms of a disease and not getting to the bottom of the cause and dealing with that.

Its all about Big Pharma and the huge amounts of money they make keeping us medicated. it is not in their interests to tell us the truth.
Their own research has shown that Statins are completely ineffective in the vast majority of cases but it still gets prescribed by ignorant Doctors.

An intelligent person who cares about their health and well being will do a little research and soon discover the truth about the whole corrupt medical institution and decide to become responsible for their own health. Making changes to their diet and lifestyle to reverse their Chronic Illness

Down to 195 lbs.
Pants starting to feel loose.

Summertime ranch work.
Really tired.
Hurt all over.

I remember the '60s "President's Counsel on Physical Fitness", and NASA's "Aerobics" program. Googling "Aerobics" shows lotsa info on exercising, but I don't see the key feature that we were taught back then, which was to monitor breathing while exercising. They said that if you find yourself breathing hard, that you're burning sugars. If your exercise doesn't induce heavy breathing, you're burning fat. As I understood it, your body produces fat by combining sugars with oxygen, producing a "self contained" fuel. Heavy breathing after a heavy/sugary meal is supposed to be a sign that your body is producing fat, like it's gone into "hoard mode", a bear packing on the weight in preparation for winter hibernation.

Is that info wrong now?

It sure seems to tie-in with the Keto diet. Eliminate sugars, consume fats. Turns off the fat-producing mechanisms, turns on the fat-burning mechanisms. Like telling the body food is plentiful, no need to make fat. Anti-hoarding?


We didn't get air-conditioning until about 1962. Hot weather wasn't as bad a thing as it is now. During Summer didn't eat much. Drank a lot. Nowadays, hiding indoors with the air-conditioning, the appetite escalates. When comparing cultures, their diets, and their weight levels, would air-conditioning be a factor?

TwoManyXS1Bs said:

I remember the '60s "President's Counsel on Physical Fitness", and NASA's "Aerobics" program. Googling "Aerobics" shows lotsa info on exercising, but I don't see the key feature that we were taught back then, which was to monitor breathing while exercising. They said that if you find yourself breathing hard, that you're burning sugars. If your exercise doesn't induce heavy breathing, you're burning fat. As I understood it, your body produces fat by combining sugars with oxygen, producing a "self contained" fuel. Heavy breathing after a heavy/sugary meal is supposed to be a sign that your body is producing fat, like it's gone into "hoard mode", a bear packing on the weight in preparation for winter hibernation.

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Absurd....as a Phys Ed major I had a a good deal of Physiology of Exercise coursework and labs...and never ever heard such a ridiculous claim about burning fat or sugars according to how you are breathing...That is way old out of date incorrect info..fat is stored Sugar.. You are either doing Anaerobic exercise or it is Aerobic exercise...Anaerobic means without Oxygen..exercise that is done before oxygen debt..like a 100 yard dash..sprint as opposed to Aerobic exercise where oxygen debt occurs..as in a long distance runner...If you have fast twitch muscles then you are best suited to be a sprinter. if you have slow twitch muscles then your advantage would be best suited for long distance running...Those are the only types of "breathing" that I know of...

Good job on getting under 200# you're on your way...

TwoManyXS1Bs said:

Down to 195 lbs.
Pants starting to feel loose.

As I understood it, your body produces fat by combining sugars with oxygen, producing a "self contained" fuel. Heavy breathing after a heavy/sugary meal is supposed to be a sign that your body is producing fat, like it's gone into "hoard mode", a bear packing on the weight in preparation for winter hibernation.

Is that info wrong now?

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Well done on losing another 5 lbs ... to keep it off without needing to do the same level of exercise you just need to replace some of your carbohydrates with a nutritionally dense fat or protein like hard cheese or chicken

in very simplistic terms
the cells in our bodies will always burn glucose to produce energy by preference.

Our bodies will only burn fat when there is no glucose available which is stored in our blood , muscle and liver

All the while that we eat carbohydrates the body will not burn fat.... fact..

It is only when the body has no glucose that it will turn to burning fat that is stored around the body.

This is the basis of a Keto or Atkins diet ......... It is basically eating little ,or no carbohydrates .........so that it forces our bodies to burn the stored fat for energy. it takes about 2 weeks of carbohydrate reduction for our bodies to go into a state of Ketosis which you can measure using urine test strips available from any chemist

This metabolic process is essentially the body eating itself and is called autophagy .

On October 3, 2016, the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded to Yoshinori Ohsumi for “discoveries of the mechanisms for autophagy.”

It took me far less than 2 weeks to achieve Ketosis..It was more like a few days..but i had help from "Bulletproof" coffee which is like a butter coffee with MCT oils..aka Medium Chain Triglycerides..distilled from Coconut oils..It is pure Ketones..Mixing this with your coffee will give you a huge boost in your levels of ketones..Initially your brain "wakes up" and you are mentally more alert as well..Eventually this effct is "normalized" and then it isnt as dramatic an effect on you...
look up recipies for bulletproof coffee..MCT oils also come from Palm trees but they arent as good as Coconut derived MCT oils...so Coconut distilled MCT oils are preferred...

so called bullet proof coffee is simply adding fat like cream to your coffee instead of sugar it has no miracle effect on the body . You can also add butter or coconut oil but why anyone should want to destroy the beautiful taste of coffee with coconut is beyond me ?

The idea of drinking fat with coffee is as a substitute for breakfast carbohydrates like cereals or toast . it supplies us with a little slow release energy and gives us the opportunity to extend our overnight fast for another 5-6 hours until lunch time

Ketones are water soluble molecules that are produced by the liver in the fat burning process. Ketones in themselves are dangerous to our health and too much of them in our blood can make us seriously ill or even die. Diabetics need to watch their ketone levels closely by monitoring their urine or there is a risk of going into ketoacidosis.

Well the BP coffee was a means to an end... Once i obtained my goals i have stopped the BP coffees..It was only once per day. It worked very well for me..your physiology may vary slightly.
As for monitoring the urine for ketoacidosis..I was not aware of this fact. Interesting.. Since i was pre-stage T2 ..I aam not quite certain the extent that this relates to me.
As for no effect on the body..again your physiology may vary...

madmax-im said:

Well the BP coffee was a means to an end... Once i obtained my goals i have stopped the BP coffees..It was only once per day. It worked very well for me..your physiology may vary slightly.
As for monitoring the urine for ketoacidosis..I was not aware of this fact. Interesting.. Since i was pre-stage T2 ..I aam not quite certain the extent that this relates to me.
As for no effect on the body..again your physiology may vary...

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I am finding fat with coffee really useful at the moment. I never used to drink coffee for many years until recently. I invariably ate porridge for breakfast every day thinking that it was safer than toast or cereals as I am Diabetic .
Doing a little research i soon realised that eating porridge was simply eating slow release carbs which spiked my blood sugar and made me put on weight.

Coffee with a tablespoon of double cream in the morning amazingly Keeps me hunger free until 2pm most days which is incredible. !

My arthritis is very bad this a.m. and i am up 5 hours earlier than i usually am. Living in the SE USA its very humid here. Has me thinking about relocating back to AZ...again..LOL

peanut said:

I am finding fat with coffee really useful at the moment. I never used to drink coffee for many years until recently. I invariably ate porridge for breakfast every day thinking that it was safer than toast or cereals as I am Diabetic .
Doing a little research i soon realised that eating porridge was simply eating slow release carbs which spiked my blood sugar and made me put on weight.

Coffee with a tablespoon of double cream in the morning amazingly Keeps me hunger free until 2pm most days which is incredible. !

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Yes it is amazing how well contolled your cravings become How well you can go between meals..That is half the battle right there...I was eating instant oatmeal..same as porridge i think..with the same beliefs as you as to its benefits..only to learn quite the opposite...

madmax-im said:

My arthritis is very bad this a.m. and i am up 5 hours earlier than i usually am. Living in the SE USA its very humid here. Has me thinking about relocating back to AZ...again..LOL

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arthritis really is awful isn't it. My wife suffers badly with Fibromyalgia which means she is in chronic pain 24/7 . It must be akin to arthritis I should think.

I did suffer very badly with pain in the wrists and ankles and one forearm for about 3 months a couple of years ago. i had to sit in a chair all night because of the acute 'restless leg syndrome' that went with the aching. I got barely 3 hours sleep a night which was devastating .

i started supplementing with Vitamin D3 3000 IU daily and 450mg Magnesium a day with some Vit B6 & B12 and within 2 weeks the pain and aching had reduced 80+% it has never come back

madmax-im said:

Yes it is amazing how well contolled your cravings are. How well you can go between meals..That is half the battle right there...I was eating instant oatmeal..same as porridge i think..with the same beliefs as you as to its benefits..only to learn quite the opposite...

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ha ha I really miss my bowl of porridge in the mornings some times I used to eat it with Stevia which is one of the few organic sugar substitutes . tastes foul really.
Another thing that I discovered was sugar free biscuits for emergencies and cake made from almond flour with butter and stevia. Almost as good as normal cake

I am in chronic pain. my meds merely mask the symptoms. i would nt be able to move without them...Every 3 months i need to have on point Cortisone injections in my neck..shoulders and sometimes my hands as well. The entire month of July and 2/3rds of August have been unseasonably hot and dry here. This has cut my symptoms in half and extended my time away from the Ortho clinic...
I know how well I would benefit from a desert climate..I sorely miss it... LOL Pun intended...

madmax-im said:

I am in chronic pain. my meds merely mask the symptoms. i would nt be able to move without them...Every 3 months i need to have on point Cortisone injections in my neck..shoulders and sometimes my hands as well. The entire month of July and 2/3rds of August have been unseasonably hot and dry here. This has cut my symptoms in half and extended my time away from the Ortho clinic...
I know how well I would benefit from a desert climate..I sorely miss it... LOL Pun intended...

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you have my sincere sympathies max. My partner suffers that sort of debilitating chronic pain also, although with her it is diagnosed as Fibromyalgia because Doctors haven't a clue what causes all the symptoms. Recent research is revealing that most chronic disease is inflamation caused by Insulinemia or metabolic syndrome ie too much sugar leading to Insulin resistance, even gout is now shown to be alleviated by a low carb diet with zero refined carbs
Have you been checked for Weils and Lyme disease ?

Great thread going here, peanut.
Learning new things.
Trying to unlearn old things.

I recall, about 20 years ago, the push on oatmeal. Supposedly found that it helps to reduce cholesterol. So, now it's on the "avoidance" list?

I need to get one of those Ketone test kits.

I also recall, about 15 years ago, the call from the AMA to restrict, or severely limit, Vitamin D availability. Shortly followed by reports of Euro enforcement agencies going around and confiscating Vitamin D stocks from Euro markets. Shortly followed later by outcries from supplement suppliers and health food companies. Sounds like that confiscation practice has subsided?

Chronic pain. I guess that we're all members of the "walking wounded". My research and experiments on my peripheral neuropathy found best results from Alpha-Lipoic-Acid, a natural food-based concentrate, mostly from potatoes.

Hoping for more weight loss here, but have an additional challenge. Lymphedema in the left leg. About 15 years ago, they found that my left leg weighed 20lbs more than the right. Working on it...