knock off the fake news, how about?
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Pamco
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Grade school level insults adds value to this forum how? I'm thinking that there must be factual proof of Mike's reverse engineering, else such a bold claim would not have been made. Would it be a terrible idea to politely ask that proof be offered up on that claim? Else, probably would be a reasonable request to retract the statement.
Why? The head gets too hot to touch and those parts are mounted to the side of it.
Yeah, I've read that entire thread before. Maybe I missed it but I don't see where Pamcopete claimed that his board was reverse engineered? I'm not defending Mike's at all, that's for sure, and I don't doubt there may have been some infringement on the name. If Pamcopete didn't have a copyright or similar protection, anyone could legally replicate the technology. Ethically its wrong even if legally okay. Might be splitting hairs here and it's water under the bridge at this point. Just trying to stick to known facts.....
Yes, I don't think the whole story behind this ever came out, at least I never heard it. All I know is I miss having the Pamcos available now. If I ever needed another ignition, that's probably what I would have gone with. I have one of the very early units on my bike, one of the first produced, and it's been trouble-free for many, many years.
Yeah, Pete never explained what happened... as is his right I guess....
I do know that at one time Pete and MikesXS were working together. So perhaps a bargain was struck? Maybe Pete didn't read the fine print in his agreement with Mikes? Who knows. Here's a few screen grabs from back in 2017. I think it was in his tenth anniversary thread.
I do know that at one time Pete and MikesXS were working together. So perhaps a bargain was struck? Maybe Pete didn't read the fine print in his agreement with Mikes? Who knows. Here's a few screen grabs from back in 2017. I think it was in his tenth anniversary thread.
Hard to prove a negative but I contacted Pete a few times about this and he neatly sidestepped my direct questions every time. Loved the Pamco, used 4-5 of them including Resto and Madness, still have an all in one and a simple version on the shelf for "future use". I have bought and happily used many parts from MikesXS, but no ignition parts after that disastrously bad coil they sold, and sold, and sold! The advance shafts were also known bad actors.The policy of continuing to ship defective parts til the stocks were used up was a known, documented practice that had short term $$$ advantage but earned them a long term reputation. The forum has had several (many?) threads attempting to warn the innocent of parts to avoid and many other threads with good reviews of parts that work. Even the Majors, ahem, like Yamaha produce defective parts. They tend to correct and replace them under warranty. But not always, can you say TX750, then TX500? LOL
I started with a Pamco basic in the 75. When Pete came out with the 60 degree rotor I added that. As the mechanical advancer became more troublesome I added Pete's electronic advance. It has performed flawlessly for many years.
On the 81 I used the used Pete's kit with the advancer on the sensor plate, it used the aluminum advance rod. It has worked flawlessly as well.
On the 83 I got one of the kits from Pete that used the stock advance rod. It performs as flawlessly as the others.
I to regret the Pete's ending his production.
If I need another ignition in the future I think I can rely on the folks here to assist in it's selection.
The Trytronics kit sounds good. I may look into that more closely.
Leo
On the 81 I used the used Pete's kit with the advancer on the sensor plate, it used the aluminum advance rod. It has worked flawlessly as well.
On the 83 I got one of the kits from Pete that used the stock advance rod. It performs as flawlessly as the others.
I to regret the Pete's ending his production.
If I need another ignition in the future I think I can rely on the folks here to assist in it's selection.
The Trytronics kit sounds good. I may look into that more closely.
Leo
I have the Tytronic sitting on my bench. It stares at me every day, but I can't bring myself to install it on my 79 just yet. It's dialed in too well with points and is running really good right now, lol. I'll get there soon....
Why not consider Boyer Bransden? It's British, the post sales support is good. In the past, I've had BB on a Norton Commando and a Kawasaki Z1 and currently (sorry) on my XS650. No problems with the electronic ignition on any of those. Easy to fit if you can do basic maintenance, does away with the mechanical advance/retard, buy, steal or borrow a strobe, set once and forget.
I've had no problems with my Boyer. Plus the kit comes with everything you need. E-ignition, advance box, coil, plug wires, plug cap and hardware. Only thing you have to do is make a mounting bracket for the coil.
Maybe they've changed the hardware? The BB coil on my XS is fitted using the original coil mount.
I think it depends on year/model of bike. I had to make a simple bracket to mount the coil on my XS2.
What about Boyer on ‘80 to ‘84? I think we need more parts.
I'm not sure, you may need the bushings for the cam. You would not need the advance rod as the Boyer comes with one.
With a PAMCO you had to get the rod and bushings.
pete was almost as fubar as you are. so what now?
dude while i'm in quarantine you've never seen trolling like you're going to see
the board has good insulating properties and air around it. you aren't going to burn your finger on the head with even 1/32" or possibly less air between your finger and the head. would have been good of him to try the rule of thumb of parts too hot to touch.
Stampings on Chinese electronic parts, about as believable as 0 Covid cases in Wohan.
