LED headlight?

I looked at that same bulb and couldn`t figure it out either.:umm: The description did not give the overall length and since I was using a Bates 5 1/2" headlight there isn`t much room. Didn`t see a 3 prong plug also. There are plenty of H4 replacement bulbs out there, too bad their mostly all from China.:(
 
Almost everything is made in China. Get over it - Does Not mean everything is Junk.
Bates was from Long Beach Ca and is now long, Long gone. Stock headlight is 7" and All
the replacement parts for those Are available. If you want another 5 1/2 " unit try Dennis
Kirk/Parts Unlimited.
 
Ya na, I don't want to replace it I want to go Led, how can I go about changing it and keep the stock ears and everything. I figure an led headlamp would get me where I want to be. I do have traffic and sometimes go on short runs. I can probably do just the headlamp, or tail/brake, gauges and pilot box.
I have a plan for Led tail brake light and Id eventually do the gauges and pilot box, which I think would be just bulbs. I probably won't do the blinkers themselves.
 
Yamaha P/N 2F3-84303-A0-00 headlight as'sy accepts LED bulbs with H4 connection and swaps right into your existing 7" diameter stock headlight bucket.
 

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I have :twocents: for you. The original headlamp is a sealed beam. I assume you like to ride after dark and the original headlight is inadequate. So, you're considering putting an LED lamp into an H4 housing? I think an H4 headlight is a pretty big improvement over the sealed beam, however, if you want an LED headlight, I believe an LED headlight is what you should buy. That will work best. There are a lot of dissenting opinions on H4 replacement LEDs. I posted a couple of vids on the same subject somewhere on here.
 
I have :twocents: for you. The original headlamp is a sealed beam. I assume you like to ride after dark and the original headlight is inadequate. So, you're considering putting an LED lamp into an H4 housing? I think an H4 headlight is a pretty big improvement over the sealed beam, however, if you want an LED headlight, I believe an LED headlight is what you should buy. That will work best. There are a lot of dissenting opinions on H4 replacement LEDs. I posted a couple of vids on the same subject somewhere on here.

Because a lot of what's still being punted out on ebay and amazon are just crap, bad design and utterly bad on the road.
I've been through this over the past few years and rapidly discovered a nice solution - braid-cooled LED H4 bulbs that have really small LED elements that almost match the position of the original filaments - or at least close enough to make a good beam and not blind other road users.
 
Because a lot of what's still being punted out on ebay and amazon are just crap, bad design and utterly bad on the road.
I've been through this over the past few years and rapidly discovered a nice solution - braid-cooled LED H4 bulbs that have really small LED elements that almost match the position of the original filaments - or at least close enough to make a good beam and not blind other road users.
Unless there's another brand, the braid cooled LEDs are Bro View S5 H4 bulbs and are no longer available, damn. Love them to death, my last one (of about 6 installed) went into WJR.
 
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Unless there's another brand the braid cooled LEDs are Bro View S5 H4 bulbs and are no longer available, damn. Love them to death, my last one (of about 6 installed) went into WJR.
First braid-cooled ones I bought were NiteEye and they're still going strong, five or so years on.
They're still available but not as easy to find as they were. I simply get them from ali-x and they're cheap enough when I can find 'em. Some of the later non-fan passive cooled ones are ok for clearance, but I have to stick with 25W bulbs and the upward trend of power, power, power / more brightness is squeezing the lower-powered ones out of the marketplace.
 
Because a lot of what's still being punted out on ebay and amazon are just crap, bad design and utterly bad on the road.
I've been through this over the past few years and rapidly discovered a nice solution - braid-cooled LED H4 bulbs that have really small LED elements that almost match the position of the original filaments - or at least close enough to make a good beam and not blind other road users.

I agree with Grimly. To add a little detail...
From this thread: Headlamp

- I've not seen this mentioned much... When converting H4 to LED, look for an LED bulb with one LED above and below the central 'stalk'. As tungsten and halogen bulbs emit light from one point or filament, the reflector and lens are designed to focus the light correctly. Multiple LEDs on a bulb sound good, but tend to scatter the light. Not much help if the light is not focused ahead of you. Besides it really pisses-off some drivers.
 
Can anyone post links to LED headlights that work?

Your getting into opinion territory here... Headlights are like oil, both can get people riled up...

I'm sure that anything you buy will work - that is 'put out light when powered up'.

So I read your question as either:
'Can you recommend a LED replacement 'bulb' that you've popped into the stock Yamaha headlight and been satisfied with the results?'
OR
'What is the best LED replacement 'bulb' for a 7" round headlight used on an XS650?'.

If it's the first, then yes, someone please chime in with a recommendation.

If the second, I'll share my opinion (you knew this was coming, didn't you ;))

Short answer:
Depends. It depends on the LED AND reflector working together as a unit. From my experience (5 3/4" Harley style LED headlights in a Datsun 620 pick up), buying a complete headlight that was designed as a unit will work best. If replacing the whole unit, JW Speaker makes Harley's 'Daymaker' headlights and they have been favorably reviewed. Though some may object to the look.

Retrofitting is like rolling the dice, maybe you'll get lucky and roll 7s. But results will be affected by things like the headlight (Koito, Hella, Cibie, etc.), the age (40 years old part or NOS), and your choice of LED replacement bulb. That said, If not riding much at night and you want the headlight performance to skew more towards being seen... Go for a light with lots of scatter. :)

Long answer (research required):
Here are some articles that may shed some light on the subject...

Consumer Reports Nov, 2017
Are HID and LED Headlights Worth Buying?
"There is no clear-cut, standout technology winner among among HID, LED, and xenon headlights. While there are poor and very good performers in each variety, none produces greater forward-seeing distances than the others. Based on our testing, the differences depend on the car, not the headlight technology." [By car I believe they mean 'headlamp design']

Consumer Reports Aug, 2019
LED Headlights Can Be Brighter but Often Lack Clear Advantages
"Both LED and HID headlights can produce a brighter, whiter light than halogens, and they illuminate the sides of the road well. But how far a headlight illuminates straight ahead, in the direction a car is traveling, is what’s most important, Stockburger says. In that respect neither HIDs nor LEDs have proved to be superior over halogens in CR’s testing."

Jalopnik Sept, 2015
Should You Swap Your Headlight Bulbs For LEDs?
Older article but I think still relevant.
 
You guyz know i did a test series in a 7" reflector right? Broview for one has an excellent beam pattern and proper cut off on low beam. That is really important, I'm not fond of blinding oncoming drivers. Basically a well designed led should match the pattern of the incandescent bulb it replaces.
 
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Yep, it took me a fair bit of byggering around trying before the penny dropped with me. Some headlamp units were just better from the day they left the factory, than others. I kind of knew that, with Cibies and Hellas anyway, but the matching required to make them work with LEDs was worthwhile.
Some LEDs are rotatable in their housing and you can optimise the beam pattern by doing that - just a few degrees makes a huge difference and you end up with a nice defined cut-off and a good throw of light.
If trying to match a cheapy LED with large elements (or those useless three-sided ones), to a given headlamp unit, it's a waste of time. All such a light is good for is putting on a wall and illuminating the bench.
Another one that cropped up for the Rival-to-Cibie stakes was a surprise contender - Autopal, made in India. I think they're a copy of Cibie, but not 100% sure on that. Whatever they copied had it right, anyway.
 
I guess my question was more direct than it seemed. I was quite literally asking for a link to a bulb or full assembly someone has used with success. I’m not fully into the idea of LED bulbs for headlights as all I’ve seen have been blinding to on coming traffic. Hence the reason I asked if there was one that actually worked well. I also am not dead set on having an LED headlamp but the topic was here so I thought I would ask.
 
I need to see if this style Bro view can be stuffed in the XS650 bucket.
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Heres the fleabay ad. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Broview-H4...204085?hash=item444567c2b5:g:Y4UAAOSw-o9fL6wT
Shows light pattern, some of the features. slightly different than the S5 model but it looks to have the same element location and a proper low beam shroud.

S5 detail, note the top element is the low beam, gives wider spread, (better ditch lighting) That shroud creates the cut line to avoid blinding oncoming drivers. I've always found I need to lower the headlight aim a bit compared to the quartz bulb it replaces.
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This is the broview on low beam in a 7" round yamaha reflector (Royal Star Venture)
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Same bulb on high beam note the more concentrated beam, greater distance, less spread.
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I have a set of road pics with this bulb SOMEWHERE!
 
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I guess my question was more direct than it seemed. I was quite literally asking for a link to a bulb or full assembly someone has used with success. I’m not fully into the idea of LED bulbs for headlights as all I’ve seen have been blinding to on coming traffic. Hence the reason I asked if there was one that actually worked well. I also am not dead set on having an LED headlamp but the topic was here so I thought I would ask.

Here's a set identical to the most recent ones I bought. Great results from them.
They're not fan-cooled, but rely on the heatsink at the rear (passive cooling), with hasn't caused any trouble so far. They don't stick back much, so would fit most m'c headlamp shells, but some shells are quite shallow, which is why the first ones I bought were braid-cooled. The braids fold out of the way and don't occupy or interfere with wiring.
https://www.amazon.com/BEAMTECH-Hea...ywords=led+headlight+h4&qid=1597198140&sr=8-5

Braid-cooled ones with a decent small LED element set and good output seem to have largely disappeared. There are braid-cooled ones in different fittings there, but the LEDs look quite large and won't give good beam pattern, imo, but that might not be so important if they're supposed to be going into fog lamps, etc.
 
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It's going to be snug.
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That india made Autopal.
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I had one of these with a bad seal tween lens and reflector after a rainy ride there was an inch of water inside. Pulled it apart and reglued with hylomar, stayed dry after that.
Left: Yamaha H4 Reflector/lens, Center: autopal. Right: stock XS650 sealed beam
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Broview 7" reflector on a highway at night, low beam
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Same High beam
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