Side stand is killing me!

Watch those really hot days when parking on ashfelt. I had my XS1b stand disappear about 4 inches into the stuff once. In NZ the farmers would tack weld a 2" square of approx. 2mm steel to the stand to give extra support in the paddocks. I just love those mixed units.
 
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I quite like the later stand style and both of mine work great. In fact, I consider it one of the nicest sidestands I've ever had on any bike. But be aware, some of the stand parts diagrams are drawn wrong. They show the spring pivot post set below the pivot and bolt .....

https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/y...0d/stand-footrest-brake-pedal-xs650d-e-e00650

It should be flipped around so the spring post is above the pivot and bolt .....

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I'm not sure if it matters but since every diagram shows it this way, I always install the spring with the loose hook that rotates inside the coil facing up .....

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Great pics! Thanks much. Bookmarking this -- first thing I took off. Side stand was way too straight. Knocked her off the stand first time I tried to swing my leg over her. Mind you I'm 5' 2" ish. Took the stand to a welding shop to fix the angle. This'll help a lot putting her back together.
 
Great pics! Thanks much. Bookmarking this -- first thing I took off. Side stand was way too straight. Knocked her off the stand first time I tried to swing my leg over her. Mind you I'm 5' 2" ish. Took the stand to a welding shop to fix the angle. This'll help a lot putting her back together.
As long as you have a welder....

The Specials are a bit of a pain lifting onto the centerstand. I took (I think?) about an inch out of it. Makes it a breeze now.
From here: https://www.xs650.com/threads/jims-1980-sg-miss-september.50545/post-594641


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If the bike was standing up too straight, maybe someone put shorter rear shocks on, or maybe the originals are just sacked out? The problem is usually the opposite - the bike leans over too much. I had that issue on both of mine, but it was because I've installed slightly longer than stock rear shocks. The "fix" was pretty easy, just welding some plate to the bottom of the stand foot to extend the length a little bit .....


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On my '83, I actually swapped on an older, simpler stand, one without all the extra bracketry for that (idiotic) sidestand safety switch, lol .....

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You'll understand why I did this the first time you try to remove the sump plate. All that extra "junk" makes it very difficult to access the bolt on the one end .....

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Switching to the older, simpler stand and spring post bracket makes it so much easier ......

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If the bike was standing up too straight, maybe someone put shorter rear shocks on, or maybe the originals are just sacked out? The problem is usually the opposite - the bike leans over too much. I had that issue on both of mine, but it was because I've installed slightly longer than stock rear shocks. The "fix" was pretty easy, just welding some plate to the bottom of the stand foot to extend the length a little bit .....


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On my '83, I actually swapped on an older, simpler stand, one without all the extra bracketry for that (idiotic) sidestand safety switch, lol .....

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You'll understand why I did this the first time you try to remove the sump plate. All that extra "junk" makes it very difficult to access the bolt on the one end .....

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Switching to the older, simpler stand and spring post bracket makes it so much easier ......

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Awesome! I haven't dropped the sump yet though there's a new filter in my Too Be Installed parts bin. As for the "rake" my kickstand had almost none. Less than 5%. I suspect it's not the original. I poked around the forums and asked Bob (Bob's welding) to take it to about 15%. If it's too much I'll ride it over later and have him readjust it. My '82 was almost too far the other way.
 
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Yes, that's another thing I really like about this pivot post style stand, the ability to add a grease fitting and easily keep it well lubed. It works oh so smoothly when greased up.
OK, now I gotta find that grease fitting. Four cans of de-greaser and a whole lotta bristle brushing since I took off the side stand, and I can SEE most of the actual frame -- paints even in great shape -- but I didn't notice that fitting.
 
If the bike was standing up too straight, maybe someone put shorter rear shocks on, or maybe the originals are just sacked out? The problem is usually the opposite - the bike leans over too much. I had that issue on both of mine, but it was because I've installed slightly longer than stock rear shocks. The "fix" was pretty easy, just welding some plate to the bottom of the stand foot to extend the length a little bit .....


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On my '83, I actually swapped on an older, simpler stand, one without all the extra bracketry for that (idiotic) sidestand safety switch, lol .....

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You'll understand why I did this the first time you try to remove the sump plate. All that extra "junk" makes it very difficult to access the bolt on the one end .....

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Switching to the older, simpler stand and spring post bracket makes it so much easier ......

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I keep coming back to this set of pictures as I'm getting closer to reinstalling the kickstand -- your lighting's way better than mine was taking it off, AND mine was well encased in old road tar. Still can't see how I missed that grease fitting. Unless it's still encrusted, which would mean I missed a whole hunk a junk.
 
I keep coming back to this set of pictures as I'm getting closer to reinstalling the kickstand -- your lighting's way better than mine was taking it off, AND mine was well encased in old road tar. Still can't see how I missed that grease fitting. Unless it's still encrusted, which would mean I missed a whole hunk a junk.
Good luck finding that fitting on your bike Shelby.
 
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I think the fittings on the stands are a "must do", especially on the centerstand. It's amazing the difference that makes. The kicker, well, even though I always kept it oiled, every time I'd go to fold it out, it was hard and stuck, lol. The oil wasn't cutting it, it needed grease.
 
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