Green number plates

Alternatively it could be to allow those of us who haven't paid an exorbitant amount for our cars a chance to feel smug? o_O :)
I only drive antiques (I have six of them to choose from) the newest of which is 36 years old. New cars bore me. An EV would bore me as well.
 
I view cars as necessary, but also a gross waste of money.

My next door neighbor just bought a GMC Yukon SUV, being curious, I looked to see what they were selling for locally. Depending on the trim level, they start at $75,000 and I found one used one selling for $98,000 :yikes:. OMG!
I would never spend that kinda money for a vehicle unless I had F.U. Money!
This comes from the guy driving a 9 year old Fiat and a 7 year old Toyota. :laugh2:

As for electric vehicles, like it or not they are going to be the future, there will be no other option, maybe not for us geezers, but for our kids.
 
But - while not admitting it openly, he's a climate change sceptic, so f*k him.
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But - while not admitting it openly, he's a climate change sceptic, so f*k him.
I see nothing wrong with being a skeptic, about anything. It isn't the same as being a denier. As for me, I strive to be skeptical of everything. I think it's healthy to leave things open to discussion and learning. I'll leave it at that.

For the record, if I wasn't skeptical of my doctors, I'd still be 60 lbs overweight and eating a pile of Rx pills every day. :wink2:
 
While I generally agree with that statement in principal, there's over 99% agreement in the scientific community about climate change and it's causes. Pretty hard to find skepticism there.
At some point you just gotta say to yourself it's real.
Stewart is way off in that regard.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ac2966
I never said it wasn't. I meant to imply that it's unhealthy to shut down all dissenting opinions as it causes a rift. I intended my comments in general terms. I have no interest in a global warming discussion here. I'm just one of those people who hate confrontation. I also believe I might learn something from people who see things a bit differently than me.
 
I never said it wasn't. I meant to imply that it's unhealthy to shut down all dissenting opinions as it causes a rift. I intended my comments in general terms. I have no interest in a global warming discussion here. I'm just one of those people who hate confrontation. I also believe I might learn something from people who see things a bit differently than me.
I got nothin' Marty. I understood where you were coming from... and I generally agree with you. My comment was mostly a response to Stewarts video.
Cheers.
 
My wife and I tested an electric car last year, a butt-ugly first gen Nissan Leaf (used). In the end we did not buy it because it was pretty expensive and the value exchange was just not there for me. What no one so far has said in this thread is that the torque of these electric cars makes them pretty FUN to drive, at least in a straight line. I watched a cool Jay Leno's garage recently where a shop in California had converted an early '70s Porsche 911 to electric, paying very close attention to suspension/weight distribution detail to have it behave like a "real" 911. They apparently hit the mark smack on. So getting back to my FUN comment, there are a growing number of electric cars available which actually handle well and have huge power to weight ratio. If people can afford them, they buy them, and they don't care about the lack of range problem. The fact that they get to appear as though they care about the environment is likely just a bonus to many owners.
 
I came across a yt vid from AutoTrader's presenter, Rory Reid.
Nissan Leafs are ten years old and getting cheap.
There's a place in the UK rebuilding batteries for them and offering upgrades and extension packs, too. None of them are cheap, but they're within reach.
A 4K car plus a 2K pack makes a viable thing for me.
Not right now, though. There's plenty of time left for me to get many more petrol jollies, and by the time I'm forced to go 4-wheel EV for the winter, the Leaf and others like it will be in banger money range and if they bodiy and mechanically last well, I won't mind buying a batter to get another few years out of it.
 
Today I saw a parked car with a green segment at one end of the number plate - best picture I could find in a hurry:

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So naturally, I thought, Hello what's that about then? I immediately suspected that it might be an electric car? And the purpose of the green segment - to increase the natural feeling of smugness that goes with ownership and use of a Zero Emissions Vehicle?

Walked round the back of the car - Peugeot E208 GT.

Thirty seconds on that internet confirmed my suspicions. I learned that green number plates 'have been introduced to raise awareness of zero emissions cars on our roads and as they are easily identified it means that local authorities can offer incentives to EV drivers such as access to bus lanes, free entry into zero-emissions zones and cheaper parking.'

Now by all means call me a old sceptic - just don't lean too heavily into old - but we all know there ain't no such thing as a free lunch and by the same token there ain't no such thing as a Zero Emissions Vehicle.

Have not been able to get very far, but it is quite clear that there is a lot of embedded CO2 from the manufacture of the vehicle, and it would appear that the embedded CO2 is in fact a great deal higher with an electric car than its petrol or diesel equivalent. 'Ah yes,' says the possessor of the Green number plate, 'but consider that when I go for a drive, there are no CO2 emissions and no other nasty, noxious emissions from a nasty fossil fuel engine!'

One estimate I've seen is that the electric car would repay that higher embedded CO2 after about 70,000 miles, by which time that battery is likely to need replacement. Even then the payback comes only if the electricity used was produced with net zero CO2 emissions (and that's a debate for another day).

When you replace the battery, the car's embedded CO2 shoots way back up again. Because apparently, the much higher embedded environmental cost of the electric car is largely due to the battery.

The phrase now is Lifecycle Emissions from Cars. But I haven't been able to find any useful, short-hand conclusions about the comparative Lifecycle Emissions for electric cars versus petrol or diesel. And one complicating factor is bound to be the disposal or recycling of that battery. And there are no clear unbiased data on how much noxious emissions are involved in the production and disposal of electric car battery packs.

All I know is - call me an intolerant old sceptic - that I will probably nurse an entirely unjustified grudge towards the drivers of cars with green number plates.

Does anyone who actually knows anything about this stuff feel like adding some useful perspective?
Personally, I liked the green plates when I worked fire / rescue…
You do an auto extraction wrong with an electric car , you and your rescue team die on the spot …
Plates helped identify the car for a rescue plan
 
I've always thought the green credentials heaped on electric vehicles is a lot of nonsense.
How is the electricity used to charge EVs generated?
How green is the disposal process for batteries.
And, how green is the process for manufacturing EVs.
How green is the process for obtaining the materials to manufacture EVs.

There are plenty more ifs and buts on EVs.
I personally believe they are backing the wrong horse, fuel cell vehicles would be a much better horse to put your money on!

As has already been mentioned, there are plenty of negatives associated with EVs, range, charge times and cost being chief.

Musk has released an electric truck, it looks terrific, but has a 500klm range, christ knows what the charge time would be. I don't think we'll see them on our roads any time soon. Wouldn't they be great going across the Nularbor or up through the centre? It'd take you months to get to your final destination!
 
Yup, those are the points I was making at post #1. Shame but typical - politicians & media treat the issue as a binary choice, petrol bad, electric good without invoking the need for any facts or any further thought.

I take @Paleomechanic's point about safety though.
 
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There are plenty more ifs and buts on EVs.
I personally believe they are backing the wrong horse, fuel cell vehicles would be a much better horse to put your money on!

As has already been mentioned, there are plenty of negatives associated with EVs, range, charge times and cost being chief.
There are negatives to which ever form of propulsion we use. Rather than focus on that perhaps we should concentrate on the positives and recognise what situations suit which fuel type?
Until battery charge times are significantly reduced then IMO they are best suited to short and medium distance trips for mainly passenger and delivery vehicles.
Hybrid seems sensible where most is local but longer trips are also undertaken.

I agree that hydrogen fuel cells would be an ideal alternative the electric.
However, the issue with hydrogen is where how do we produce it it in sufficient volumes to power not only cars and vans but also buses, trucks, locomotives, aircraft and industry?

In some respects it seems a bit daft to uses electricity to liberate a gas and then use the gas to create electricity.....
 
There's an entire cottage industry sprung up around making you believe EV's are the worse polluters.... energy intensive to manufacture and all that. You can't throw a cat on the internet without hitting some meme about how we're bein' lied to about electrics. Facts are a stubborn thing though...
Truth is EV's are more carbon friendly even factoring in manufacturing.

https://www.motortrend.com/features...m_id:fb:mtoo:22:OOtraffic:article:m18-65us:mt

Yes that's just an opinion piece. But one that cites facts and figures from various experts who have studied the problem.

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Hey Jim this is an EV bashing thread, you want to be all warm n fuzzy battery electric go spout on your EV fan boy thread!
Not to worry my gas stove will kill me before my EV battery wears out.
https://californiaglobe.com/articles/the-tangled-web-behind-the-push-to-ban-gas-stoves/
Guess memes, false science, run both ways. ;)
Didn't read it after I saw the author Gary. Katy Grimes also wrote a piece in support of America's Front Line Doctors... the group claiming most of covid was a hoax and malaria pills cured it.... there's a contradiction for ya.
At any rate, she's on my ignored authors list... sorry.
 
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