MikesXS XSCharge Ignition systems 25-6-2019 Post #17 and #18 http://www.xs650.com/threads/pampco-pete-e-ignition-v1-1.55114/ 26-6-2019 Bad Batch http://www.xs650.com/threads/bad-ba...es-and-rotors-from-mikesxs.55139/#post-599482 If I may comment, conjecture, Pete may currently be a bit testy. It appears one of the vendors went to China and had his ignition reverse engineered. So the majority of his busine$$ has just disappeared. He spent 10-15 years inventing and building this market and poof the market is stolen. To add insult to injury the vendors are not making clear that the product is no longer Pete's. He'll be getting warranty claims and requests for assistance, not to mention a hit to his reputation as countless owners get to field test the Chinese parts. Oct 11, 2018 Look at the bright side. I no longer have a distributor for the XS650 products so that enabled me to drop my retail price to $79.95 from $98.95 for the standard PAMCO and drop the E-Advancer price to $79.95 and the new E-Ignition to $149.95 or $124.95 if you reuse your 60 degree rotor. Dec 9th 2018......Post #58/59 That is not a Pamco.....PamcoPete http://www.xs650.com/threads/boyer-and-pamco-ignition.46859/page-3 May 5th 2019.....Post #8 http://www.xs650.com/threads/pamco-advancer-cap-off-a-bit.54804/#post-594056 May 6th 2019 http://www.xs650.com/threads/breaki...s-retirement-closing-of-pamco-business.54810/ MikesXS, XScharge ignitions are not Pamco's and are not made by Pamcopete What Pamco do i need and who sells them? PamcoPete has gone out of business and does not supply to any one or sell Pamco Ignitions any more Now That Has Been said How to Tell if my Bike is Points or TCI Ignition There are 2 ignition systems on an XS650. 70 – 79, ........XS650's have points, 70 - 79, .........On the head above the spark plug, there are 2 chrome caps, one on each side and these house the points and advance weights All points Models have the points plate on the left side and the advance weights on the right, these are held together by the advance rod. The advance rod goes through the Cam and has 3 bushings holding it in place. 80 – 83, ..........XS650's have Factory Electronic Ignition this is called a TCI, (transistor controlled ignition) 80 - 83; ..........Under the Chrome covers there is nothing, TCI ignition motors do not have a Points plate, advance weights or the advance rod. The cam ends can be seen NOTE; These dates may not apply to XS650's sold in Europe, Oceania and other countries, but with the amount of XS650's exported from the States, those dates will apply to any imported XS650 from the States To Install a Pamco in a TCI motor you need to buy an advance rod and bushings. The Advance rod can be bought separately from a private seller or MikesXS. Instalation Instructions. From Pamco Petes Site......... http://www.yamahaxs650.com/ XSLeo; ...... I got the new Pamco. Note;. ..........This kit is the one Pete sells that has the new bushings and rod with specific rotor and advancer adapter. 80-84 TCI Ignition Motors Went to Pete's ignition site and printed out 7 pages of instructions. I checked the cam ends for crud, looked very clean. Just a tiny bit of oil seepage on the left side. Right was clean. The new bushings were a slip fit in the cam. When I slipped the rod through it pushed the bushings out. At first that bothered me a bit, after a bit of thought I realized it didn't really matter. With this set up they only hold the rod centered in the cam. It don't revolve inside like the stock advance rod does, so no worries. The new rod is a aluminum rod all one diameter. This is a good thing, it weighs less than the steel versions. And again because it don't rotate in the bushings it won't wear. I need to check the stock coil for proper ohms, might need to replace it. The rest of the install should be easy. Done a couple already so this one should be a snap. Will report more as it comes. Troubleshooting Guide. Pamcopete says; …..........“It's best to simply post your questions here or start a new thread rather than wait for me to answer. There are hundreds of members here with PAMCO's installed and they can usually provide an answer. If you have tried the troubleshooting tips posted on here or the web site and conclude that you need a warranty replacement, then PM me with your name and address.” Testing the coil: 1; Using the lowest scale on the meter, measure the resistance between the primary terminals with the wires removed. Should read from 2.5 to 4.5 Ohms. 2; Using the highest scale on the meter, measure between one of the primary terminals and the center core of the coil. Should be infinite resistance. (open) 3; Measure between one of the primary terminals and one of the plug wire terminals. Should be infinite resistance. (open circuit) 4; Measure between one of the plug wire terminals and the core of the coil. Should be infinite resistance (open circuit) 5; Measure from one plug terminal to the other. Should be 15,000 to 20,000 Ohms Testing the PAMCO 1, Use a voltmeter and check for battery voltage on each of the red/white wires with the key and kill switch are turned on. 2, The dual output coil has to have both spark plug wires connected to a spark plug at all times. 3, To test for spark, connect one of the spark plug wires to a spark plug that is grounded to the engine. To test for spark without having to turn the engine over, do this procedure: 1. Remove the PAMCO rotor. 2. Remove the locating pin in the advance rod. 3. Reinstall the rotor, but without the pin. 4. Replace the nut holding the rotor on loosely. This will allow you to spin the rotor to produce a spark without having to turn the engine over. 5, Connect one of the spark plug wires to a spark plug that is grounded to the engine, but not installed in the engine. 6, Make sure that the other spark plug wire is connected to a spark plug in the engine. 7. Turn on the ignition switch and the kill switch. 8, Spin the rotor while looking at the gap in the spark plug for a spark. 9, Turn off the kill switch and the ignition switch.