Clutch pushrod bushing interchange thread

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There are a couple threads running on this topic or the seal at the moment, but I didn't want this info to get lost. It might be worth putting in the tech notes.

5Twins posted a link to a bushing from Mcmaster-Carr that is about 1/2 the price of the one from Mikes, and for those of us on the east coast, they ship fast. I get my orders next day if I order before noon. Here is the link to the M-C bushing-
http://www.mcmaster.com/#6679k12/=oezsl8

Both the M-C bushing and the Mikes bushing are 10mm long. I noted that I had 12-13mm of counterbore in my shaft where the bushing lives. So I ordered 2@10mm and 2@12mm, plus I had one on order from Mikes before the link to M-C showed up. The thinking here is perhaps the 12mm long bushing might provide a larger wear area and reduce loads on the seal.
Edit by gggGary 1-8-18 Don't use a 12mm long bushing! read here. [URL="http://www.xs650.com/threads/clutch-pushrod-bushing-interchange-thread.30549/#post-535244"]Clutch pushrod bushing interchange thread[/URL]
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So, my bushings and seals from both sources arrived today. The first pic is Mikes bushing on the left, and the M-C bushing on the right, both 10mm. The only visible difference is the numbering. The second pic is the 10mm Mikes bushing and the 12mm M-C bushing. The 12mm bushing went right in and fits perfectly. 3rd pic.

SEAL INSTALLATION NOTE-IMPORTANT!!!
I suggested on one of the other threads that Permatex 2B might be a reasonable sealant to apply to the outside lip of the seal. I WAS WRONG!! The stuff gets too sticky, and the seal will not go in happily at all. I ruined the first one. I'm thinking now that simple motor oil or maybe dish soap(a trick for putting in 2 piece rear main seals on car engines) is the ideal-it wants to be slippery to allow the somewhat tacky rubber to slide home and into place.

So there ya have it. I now have 3 10mm bushings and 1 12mm bushing extra if anyone is in need, otherwise they'll become inventory.
 

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Thanks for verifying the parts match and more importantly, the fit. I will be adding a few of these to my next McMaster-Carr order.
 
I used red rubber grease. It might not have been the right stuff to use but I use that on basically any rubber seal.
 
Is that something we can get here in the States? I've never heard of it.
 
I'm having to do a 'rethink' about the pushrod bushing. I made mine, no-split, press fitted in place, close fit to pushrod. Oil is delivered to the small crankcase chamber between the seal and bushing, travels through the mainshaft around the pushrod and mushroom-rod, then dribbles into clutch hub boss. Perhaps the split in the bushing is necessary to guarantee this oil flow?
 
Update.

A heads up on that clutch pushrod bushing.

The clutch pushrod bushing is supposed to be 8mm long, but the recess in the mainshaft is deep enough to allow a 12mm deep bushing. However, there's an oiling hole in there in the mainshaft, oil delivery from the needle bearings, supplying oil down the mainshaft, alongside the pushrod, to the rightside tranny passages.

This diagram shows the oiling hole, where a 12mm bushing would block it.
Bush-OilHole.jpg


The distance from the mainshaft's edge to that oiling hole is 11mm.
MainshaftOilHole.jpg
MainShaft-OilHole2.jpg


It appears that you could put a 10mm bushing in there, if it isn't driven in too far past flush with the mainshaft end.

All that came from this thread:

http://www.xs650.com/threads/grinding-scraping-noise-in-5th-gear.42928/#post-428563
 
Update: The previous warning in post #11 can be ignored. Member 5twins has confirmed that there's a step in the mainshaft's bushing recess that prevents over-insertion of the pushrod bushing.

MainShaft-ClutchBushing.jpg


From post #11.
http://www.xs650.com/threads/started-the-special-ll-refurb.55279/#post-603059

More clutch pushrod bushing discussions:

Posts #3446 to #3454.
http://www.xs650.com/threads/what-have-you-done-to-your-xs-today.32082/page-173#post-535228

Posts #28 to #39.
http://www.xs650.com/threads/clutch-pushrod-question.1441/page-2#post-551631
 
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