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Do we care about the enviroment !!! ????

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by 650Skull, Jun 2, 2020.

  1. 650Skull

    650Skull SSSSSSSSSlither Top Contributor

    Not alone in doing that...........
     
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  2. 650Skull

    650Skull SSSSSSSSSlither Top Contributor

    https://siberiantimes.com/other/oth...reviously-spotted-from-space-satellite-shows/

    small Siberian town of Verkhoyansk reported a high temperature of 100.4° F on June 20, a reading that, if confirmed, would mark the hottest day ever recorded in the region.

    "While fires are common at this time of year, record temperatures and strong winds are making the situation particularly worrying," the European Union's Earth Observation Programme, which is monitoring the situation, said in a statement.
     
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  3. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty XS650 Guru XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Here is a little piece of good news. Visit carboncowboys.org. There are some very good short documentaries there.
    I don’t believe the current commercial farming is sustainable, but they have the money, so by default they control many governments. I did not verify, but read most of the world’s population is fed from farms of 25 acres or less. I’m buying meat from a small local farm that uses similar methods to those in the link. They raise healthy animals and butcher them on site. I get a healthier product for my body and they in turn are far better for our environment. The animals I’m consuming are treated far better as well. I’m voting with my wallet. I’m looking for a similar produce source.

    I should add that I’m in a far poorer place than where I came from. When you have no money, you aren’t going to spend it on trash pickup. I personally am not going to drive 30 miles to recycle a bag of trash. No sense in that.

    9 billion people is too many. What to do about that?

    Yes, I care about our planet.
     
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  4. thuban

    thuban Horse Scratcher XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Jmm said
    "9 billion people is too many. What to do about that?"
    We can do what we have done in the past. Go to war with somebody, making a happy few, billions of dollars, while cutting down the male population. But girls are now in the game also; couldn't keep them out if you tried! . Or we can re-distribute people from "Have Not" areas of the globe, where they have been for thousands of years, to "Have" areas. Again, there has to be a profit made or it will garner no interest. So in the interest of stealing anything big business wants, tax dollars buys munitions to put a hole in somebody's Coleman stove or camel shit cooking fire, scattering the people to the hot sand to wander homelessly and starving. But wait, out of the goodness of Americas heart, and after greasing some mayor's hand, the poor, downtrodden people are scooped up, a thousand at a time, and dropped in some small, quiet, town in Virginia. Third world meets First and everybody lives happy ever after. :wtf:That seems to be working. :shrug:
     
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  5. 650Skull

    650Skull SSSSSSSSSlither Top Contributor

    Why war???............500,000 and counting at present..........And no one is going to cross the US boarders any time soon, nor for the foreseeable future............... So that KungFu's your argument..........all reference to a raciest comment and pun is entirely intended, purely as satire.
     
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  6. 650Skull

    650Skull SSSSSSSSSlither Top Contributor

    If it were possible to scare people into averting climate disaster it would have already happened. You can scare people into a state of paralysis so they’ll stand frozen while you wage wars against “terrorists” and “dictators”, but for mass-scale positive action, fear is useless.

    We’re just going to have to wake up. As a species. Collectively. A drastic transformation in our entire relationship with thought is going to be required. There’s just no getting around this. And this transformation happens to be in the exact opposite direction of fear.
    ......Catlin Johnston
     
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  7. thuban

    thuban Horse Scratcher XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Why War? Because they won't roll over and let you have it! It's been that way from the dawn of time....That hunter-gatherer tribe just spent three hungry weeks and 3 lives killing a "Wooley". The other neighboring tribe: "Hey, lets go over, (down on man power anyway), kick their asses, steal a haunch and a couple of women!" "Maybe even get me a young one to carry my this and that."
    That up there is not an argument. It's a fact.
     
  8. 650Skull

    650Skull SSSSSSSSSlither Top Contributor

    I agree with you thuban....... My why was rhetorical...........As a species we wouldn't have survived if we weren't so aggressive, exactly why we outlived neanderthal, dennisovian, and Homo erectus........compared to 2 of those three, and how long they occupied the earth we are still in nappies and have bought ourselves to the point of less than 2 minutes to midnight........... in less than 100,000 years, some say 60,000, except we have rock art dated that old.
     
  9. thuban

    thuban Horse Scratcher XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    It's a wonder we have made it this far!
     
  10. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty XS650 Guru XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    If the crap people are putting on FB is indication, we're coming unglued. Just take anyone down to the mat. A bomb all of it. It's all nuts to me.
     
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  11. thuban

    thuban Horse Scratcher XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    JMM, I'm not even going there.
    Not my Circus.jpg
     
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  12. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty XS650 Guru XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Yah! I've considered deleting my account and moving off the grid!
     
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  13. thuban

    thuban Horse Scratcher XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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  14. 650Skull

    650Skull SSSSSSSSSlither Top Contributor

    good article thuban. it lets itself down when it states............. "In Australia, too, owners of solar panels now have to pay the government for the honor of feeding electricity into the grid."..........this is complety wrong and has never been the case.

    I agree with the article, where the big companies are allowed to take resources when they are in decline and scarce to the detriment of locals and environment. This has happened repeatedly here in Aus with water allocations for irrigation and coal and iron production has ridden rough-shot over environmental concerns and cultural artifacts..........just recently a big iron ore mine destroyed a 46,000 year old aboriginal cave containing archeological artifacts.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-rio-tinto-australia-demolition-a9551356.html

    Archeologist Dr Michael Slack, who led that dig, said it was a once-in-a-lifetime discovery.
    An earlier 1 metre test dig, conducted in 2008, dated the site at about 20,000 years old, but the salvage expedition uncovered a “very significant site” with more than 7,000 artefacts collected, including grid stones that were 40,000 years old, thousands of bones from middens which showed changes in fauna as the climate changed, and sacred objects.
    The flat floor of the cave allowed for a significant depth of soil and sand to build up, creating a layer almost two metres deep in parts. Most archeological digs in the Pilbara hit rock at 30cm.
    Most significantly, the archeological records did not disappear during the last Ice Age. Most inland archeological sites in Australia show that people moved away during the Ice Age between 23,000 and 19,000 years ago, as the country dried up and water sources dried up. Archeological evidence from Juukan Gorge suggest it was occupied throughout.


    By making a completely false claim about the Auusie gov't solar situation, he looses a lot of credibility because any skeptic can use his false reporting to justify the rest of the article is also false........To make a compelling argument there can be no room for falsehoods because those opposing will jump on a 1% to discredit the other 99%

    The opposite happened with solar rebates over here. To encourage household solar panel use, households were encouraged to overproduce their households needs to feed excess back into the grid. Due to overproducing there own power needs, they didn't have to pay for their power use and were payed so much money for the power that they produced going back into the national grid some people were making up to and sometimes more than $5000.00 per year. when the scheme was introduced there was a guarantee that the initial people who took up the scheme would never have the feed in rate reduced. In following years as to many people were getting payed to produce power the power companies had to put up there rates to those that were unable to afford the solar panels. The gov't scheme payable rate, for excess power, did go down but gov't rebates for soar panel installation has, and still is, very attractive and now they are giving incentives to install battery solar systems so help solve base load power blackouts in peak times.

    Feed in by back rates as of today.........
    https://www.solarchoice.net.au/solar-rebates/solar-feed-in-rewards
    initially as mentioned above these rates were as high as 40cents per kwh and as a guaranteed price some of those who took up the scheme initially still get that rate.

    2015
    https://www.australiansolarquotes.com.au/2015/03/03/rooftop-solar-pv/

    2012
    Big companies wanted the scheme dropped
    https://www.australiansolarquotes.com.au/2012/10/15/big-industry-recycle-solar-subsidies/
     
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  15. thuban

    thuban Horse Scratcher XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Skull, That's interesting. It's a crying shame about the archeological artifacts.
     
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  16. 650Skull

    650Skull SSSSSSSSSlither Top Contributor

    Goes back to our argument on how big business overrides and controls our daily lives..........I'm hoping that this virus thing in conjunction with some other issues, (not to mentioned one due to it being contentious and political), as well as global warming, just might have woken people up enough to make enough noise to make gov'ts think a bit different. if they don't then its up to us to use the right of the vote to affect change..........unfortunately over here in Aus i don't think it is happening.....recently i was reading about how our Gov't has used the virus to sneak through certain proposals while attention was focused else where
     
  17. 650Skull

    650Skull SSSSSSSSSlither Top Contributor

    This has been talked about for years...........urban developers have local council backing to develop in Koala habitat. When they do they are supposed to leave corridors for the Koala movement............then often they will build a road through the corridors and/or tear down trees outside of the permits, and then let off the hook with the excuse.......... it is not worth the cost to ratepayers to take them to court...............or with minimal fines.........if they do

    Now we have this
    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...n-koalas-face-extinction-new-south-wales-2050

    mentioned this yesterday..........now today an article on how irrigaters get round water allocations after a 3 year drought..........stuff the impact on communities or the environment...........
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07...egulation-examined-by-nsw-parliament/12412192
     
  18. fredintoon

    fredintoon Fred Hill, S'toon. Top Contributor

    Best environmental system is Nuclear/Electric/Hydrogen.
    Overproduce electricity with nuclear reactors and use the extra power to electrolise water into Hydrogen and Oxygen.
    Compress or liquify the Hydrogen to power anything that can't be run with an electric motor.
    Release the Oxygen into the environment to enhance the atmosphere.
     
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  19. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty XS650 Guru XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor



    If you have an hour, this covers our health, the environment, etc. Very good IMHO.
     

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