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Heiden Sump Filter- Reviews?

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by MadeThatMyself, May 2, 2019.

  1. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    That '82-'83 safety switch equipped sidestand assembly is quite the contraption, lol. Just one sump plate removal was enough to bump replacing it to the top of my "to do" list. The extra tabs on the stand, along with the very large spring post bracket, make accessing the left side sump bolt very difficult. You can get at it if you partially retract the stand, but being spring-loaded, that means you have to hold it there with one hand while working the bolt out with the other. A royal P.I.T.A., plain and simple, lol.

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    The solution is to do away with that whole safety switch and it's relay. Replace the stand with the older plain version, along with older small spring post bracket .....

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    All the "junk" to the left of the spring in the pic below gets replaced with just the older type small spring bracket and simple stand on the right .....

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    ..... and good riddance to all that stuff, lol.
     
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  2. delagem

    delagem XS650 Addict

    Hi Leo, they are metric. I don’t remember exactly what they were. I didn’t keep my notes from that endeavor. I bought one filter along with the adapter plate, then used Wix’s cross reference website to match it. Going on memory here, they were $25 from the spacer manufacturer, and $15 from NAPA.

    I had a thought. You could unthread that center nipple, and cut different threads on each end, to make it fit whatever filter you wanted. I’m ok with buying the NAPA filters, though.
     
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  3. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    I looked for that spin-on filter sump plate on the Heiden site but couldn't find it. Have they stopped selling it?
     
  4. XSLeo

    XSLeo XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    On some bikes they use a cast housing that holds a simple cartridge filter. I have thought about trying to adapt my spin on sump plate to work with one of those filters. I think it would be less susceptible to damage from road debris.
    Leo
     
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  5. XSLeo

    XSLeo XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    Swap that hard to reach bolt with an Allen head bolt.
    Leo
     
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  6. 650Skull

    650Skull Dinosaur Lives Top Contributor

    Those sump extensions won't go on the later side stands...when they changed to the type shown posted in post #21...........the side stand need to be removed. Not a good idea to add the external filter to a sump that has the extended sump...........

    Heiden would know this
     
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  7. delagem

    delagem XS650 Addict

    As I recall, Heiden did indeed stop selling this style filter. Howard Smedley of SmedSpeed.co.uk also stopped making them, then started again, then stopped again, then went off the deep end...

    Several people here have made their own, I found a few threads. Muddergirl12 here will make them to order. Ultimately I bought mine thru xs650shop.de.

    Michael
     
  8. delagem

    delagem XS650 Addict

    Could you explain this further? Are you referring to ground clearance or some other issue?
     
  9. XSLeo

    XSLeo XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    With the sump extension it does cut down ground clearance. Moves the filter an inch closer to the ground. That's part of the reason I stopped using the one I made.
    The mods I made to the right side cover lets me use the stock sump filter and plumb in an external filter. The external can hang most anywhere. And can be most any size filter. Something like a Fram PH8A, holds a quart of oil. That's about a 50% increase in oil capacity.
    Leo
     
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  10. gggGary

    gggGary Stop that! Top Contributor XS650.com Supporter

    Changed oil a couple times after installing those, all good so far. I don't baby my bikes. Full story last change on madness showed aluminum sparklies. Ran it another hard 400 miles at the ozarks will prolly do another change soon. See if it has more sparklies, Madness has a fairly large spin on after the pump also.
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  11. FLEA

    FLEA XS650 Junkie

    theres a advert on aust xs club site selling the extentions ,locally made, old add but still up
     
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  12. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    Is this in the tech tips? Buried in this thread, no one will find it. It's a good one.
     
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  13. XSLeo

    XSLeo XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    3G Your madness plumbing is a bit fancier than mine . I just used rubber hoses. My oil cooler is a bit different but the filter mount looks about the same and is mounted about he same.
    I first had the oil return going into the side oil filter from the outside. I saw a pic of a side cover modified like yours. I did the same thing. Makes for a fairly clean install.
    I have seen pics where they drilled a hole from just about straight up from the center of the side cover oil filter down into the filter chamber. Then welded in an alloy tube. When welding in the tube on the out side of the case they welded on an alloy nut. the right size to thread in the hose adapters. This is even a bit cleaner look.
    I'm not skilled enough to weld alloy. JB Weld would probably hold just fine. Might try it one day.
    With the oil cooler I have I think it cools to well. Even on a 90+ degree day the oil seldom gets over 150*. I found a smaller oil cooler to try. It's about 1/3 smaller. This may not cool quite as much. Oil temps of about 180-195 should be about ideal. This warms the oil enough to boil out moisture and some contaminates but not so hot to degrade the oil.
    Some one mentioned that oil is a major factor on engine heat. I was reading something somewhere about this on cars. Even with the water cooling the oil pulls about 35% of the heat out of the engine. On an air cooled engine I believe this is a much higher %, maybe 50% possibly more.
    With the testing I did when I first adapted my 75 the oil temps dropped from about 225* or higher depending on outside temps to a 150 * That's more than 75 * in some cases.
    On cylinder head temps they dropped about 50* or so. They also evened out. Before the right side ran about 20 to 30 * hotter. Now the run the same.
    I don't have the exact temps at hand now but I have written of these before. With a bit of searching about oil coolers a person can find these results.
    Leo
     
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2019
  14. Jack

    Jack XS650 Junkie

    Gary could you go into detail of whats involved with all the plumbing and the cooler you used.
     
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  15. gggGary

    gggGary Stop that! Top Contributor XS650.com Supporter

    Thanks for asking Jack, but bike came to me with all the plumbing installed. You can see where i had to make a new side filter cover/adapter the thinner, "front" didn't have enough meat to hold threads. The oil filter bracket is fairly common, search remote oil filter mount you'll find them. I'm not sure I'd do this on another bike though. This is a "hotted up" 750 and has been flogged by me and no doubt several before me. At least 10,000 miles since last time the motor has been opened. Saw some scuffing in the LH cylinder with a borescope but still shows mid 180's for compression. :shrug: I think all that plumbing is kinda overkill. :twocents:.
    I think a simple filter mount with maybe a clamp on finned sleeve over a small filter would meet the needs of most street bikes.
    Or a "Bee hive" filter is kinda cool...
    https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Offenhauser-Fifties-Style-Beehive-Oil-Filter,25041.html
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    Got a couple other 750 "kits" sitting in boxes that should be used.
     
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2019
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  16. Jack

    Jack XS650 Junkie

    To me keeping oil temps stable is never an overkill when it's serving dual duties in the XS plus it looks really good;)
     
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  17. I just remove the side stand on my 84 to get the sump out. Only one bolt. Give a chance to grease up the pivot point at the same time.

    Far less swearing involved.............
     
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