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How-To: Permanent Magnet Alternator Swap (Also known as the Banshee Swap)
- Thread starter Punkskalar
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GNARLYCHARLIE4U
it's not mine, I SWEAR!
I'm wondering if anyone has had any problems with this swap after getting everything up and running? i.e. something breaking / out of balance, too much / too little voltage, etc...
This seems like a great swap but I'm wondering what the downside is...
This seems like a great swap but I'm wondering what the downside is...
Cafe-Dave
XS650B
for TCI bikes, you need a different ignition. But if you are changing out ~30 year old charging systems, it's not too much of a leap in logic to change out ~30 year old ignition system as well.
BrookieDC
XS650 breaker
I've had my swap running for a few months and it is working great. I see no downsides. Charge is good and it seems to provide plenty of power - I just added heated gloves to my system (woohoo for warm hands!) and there seems to be no difference in the amount of power reaching the battery, ignition, headlight, etc. As Dave suggests, a charging system with at least 20 years of engineering advances can't be a bad idea.
WOLFHAWK
XS650 Addict
My '81 will no longer start.
(stock wiring, charging system, and TCI ignition)
After doing much research, reading reviews, and just tooling around online, I've decided upon buying this set up along with the PAMCO ignition next week
(yes, that's me troubleshooting why my bike won't start)
revamping/simplifying the whole wiring system while I'm at it
this thread and site are a great help to anyone still learning
keep it up guys
(stock wiring, charging system, and TCI ignition)
After doing much research, reading reviews, and just tooling around online, I've decided upon buying this set up along with the PAMCO ignition next week
(yes, that's me troubleshooting why my bike won't start)
revamping/simplifying the whole wiring system while I'm at it
this thread and site are a great help to anyone still learning
keep it up guys
iglehart332
XS650 New Member
Will this swap work on a xs400? I want to know if I can use the same parts list as outlined in the first post and if I will run into anything different with the 400..
mrriggs
XS650 Junkie
The XS400 is a completely different beast. The rotor mounts to the crank, cup facing out, and the stator mounts to the side cover.
I tried using CBR600 parts, they physically fit inside the cover but left no room to route the wires and the starter clutch had to be eliminated. That means kick only. I'm sure there are parts out there that will fit, it'd just take a bit of research and trial-and-error to figure it out.
I tried using CBR600 parts, they physically fit inside the cover but left no room to route the wires and the starter clutch had to be eliminated. That means kick only. I'm sure there are parts out there that will fit, it'd just take a bit of research and trial-and-error to figure it out.
RacerRex
XS650 Enthusiast
womp womp womp.....Just F'd myself. The 94 suzuki vs800 stator will not work. It measures, dia 115mm x dia 54.5mm x 30mm thick. Just wanted to clear that up for others doing this swap.
There is list of stators that work on page one of this thread, post #7. That might help you find one.
Leo
Leo
RacerRex
XS650 Enthusiast
Yeah, that's where i got the info for getting the vs800 one. Just wanted to update the list for others.
RacerRex
XS650 Enthusiast
Anyone know why I cant use a zx6-r or zx6-rr stator?
I take it a 1990 zx600c stator will work or a 02 zx600e stator?
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tonyc
XS650 Guru
Make sure you stay within the dimensions. I made the same mistake.
Ok, I just didn't read the list close enough to see that your wrong rotor was on there, my bad.
Leo
Leo
Yamaha_chop
Fabricator Extraordinare
Anyone who has not done this swap, needs to do it right now. Seriously.
Just got my bike running and swapped to the PMA while I was at it. Charging like a champ and super simple setup and wiring. A trained monkey couldn't screw this up. It's like a one or two on the difficulty scale.
I got my own stator and flywheel, but big thanks to Hugh's for the adapter and regulator, my stator even plugged right into the regulator plug!
Just got my bike running and swapped to the PMA while I was at it. Charging like a champ and super simple setup and wiring. A trained monkey couldn't screw this up. It's like a one or two on the difficulty scale.
I got my own stator and flywheel, but big thanks to Hugh's for the adapter and regulator, my stator even plugged right into the regulator plug!
I installed the kit for my 79' xs650 special. I got the kit from mikesxs.com everything went together great but now my headlight and gauge lights don't work? this happen to anyone? I don't think i blew any fuses. Can anyone help me out? my battery is also really dead, do the headlights not work until there is a lot of charge on the battery
mrriggs
XS650 Junkie
Splice into one of the stator wires and run it to the single yellow wire where the original stator plugged in. This will trigger the safety relay which turns on the headlights when the motor is running.
Punkskalar
Hugh's HandBuilt
ooooh, smart! Never thought of that myself
hmm, will do! thanks for the advise. Also when I unplugged the original stator, it had a green wire that connected to a little screw that was inside a bolt on the engine by the top of the clutch cover. What is that?
mrriggs
XS650 Junkie
That "bolt" is the neutral switch. The blue wire goes from that to the original stator plug. If you choose not to hook it back up then the neutral light will no longer come on when you shift it to neutral.
nafets
nafets
this may be a very silly question but if you're building a bike from the ground up can you do a pma swap before firing the engine for the first time? Or is it better to get everything together and then swap to pma?
