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How-To: Permanent Magnet Alternator Swap (Also known as the Banshee Swap)
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littlebill31
Smells of Raw Fuel
The pick-up is for the TCI, so if you don't have a TCI you can probably get rid of the pick-ups. I would remove it properly though. Probably get some money for it.
And LC stands for "Liquid Cooled" (lost internet) so if the LC has no pick-ups? might be easier for future reference.
And LC stands for "Liquid Cooled" (lost internet) so if the LC has no pick-ups? might be easier for future reference.
Beau, I checked out your link. It's not a rotor. It's a stator, and it fits a Honda CBR600. If that can be used in the P/M swap I don't know.
Beau
I like metal.
oops I meant stator.
I thought I saw this one on Punk's list. If you click the little tabs below a part it will also tell you other models that use the same.
I scored a VF500 stator today on ebay NEW for $60 shipped from Dennis Kirk. It's the Electrosport one.
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I thought I saw this one on Punk's list. If you click the little tabs below a part it will also tell you other models that use the same.
I scored a VF500 stator today on ebay NEW for $60 shipped from Dennis Kirk. It's the Electrosport one.
mrriggs
XS650 Junkie
The CBR600F stator uses the same core as the VF500 so it will physically bolt up, but it is delta wound and the wires come out in a different spot. Delta wound stators are better for high rpm motors, which the XS650 is not.
BigJimmyW13
XS650 Guru
Correct me if I'm wrong Punk, but you probably learned the banshee swap from Mrriggs right? Not sure about you, but I sure as in hell know I did. Just in case ppl don't know he wrote the whole book on the PMA over on the garage.
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Beau
I like metal.
That's where I read it and why I bought the VF500 stator.
Pardon me, but it was Punks post on here. Mr. Riggs' Ebay auction had more than enough info though. Wish he had another batch of adapters as I feel they will go down in history as being a rare mod.
Punk is simply doing searches and research and making kits. Something others have not offered. The info is all out there, he just stepped up to the plate. Some people need that.
Mr. Riggs could easily do the same, and so could you an I.
Pardon me, but it was Punks post on here. Mr. Riggs' Ebay auction had more than enough info though. Wish he had another batch of adapters as I feel they will go down in history as being a rare mod.
Punk is simply doing searches and research and making kits. Something others have not offered. The info is all out there, he just stepped up to the plate. Some people need that.
Mr. Riggs could easily do the same, and so could you an I.
Beau
I like metal.
So this is not the same as they list?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ELEC...rcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item43a54bf67a
mrriggs
XS650 Junkie
They are physically interchangeable since they use the same core, the difference is how they are wound. The one pictured is wye wound, you can see in the four o-clock position where all three coils are twisted together. However, the wires are coming out of it in the same location as the CBR, which is different than every other stator I've seen. So they kind of mixed and matched to come up with that one.
mrriggs
XS650 Junkie
While that is very flattering, it's not exactly true. Guys in Europe and Australia have been doing essentially the same swap [using RD/RZ parts] years before I ever heard of such a thing. Someone else at the Garage figured out that the Banshee rotor fits the XS crank. My only contribution was figuring out that a three phase stator will work in place of the weeny Banshee stator.
That is why these message boards are so great. Nobody does this stuff alone, we're all in this together.
Punkskalar
Hugh's HandBuilt
While that is very flattering, it's not exactly true. Guys in Europe and Australia have been doing essentially the same swap [using RD/RZ parts] years before I ever heard of such a thing. Someone else at the Garage figured out that the Banshee rotor fits the XS crank. My only contribution was figuring out that a three phase stator will work in place of the weeny Banshee stator.
That is why these message boards are so great. Nobody does this stuff alone, we're all in this together.
Yep. I found some of the AU sites and read through that for a good long time, and then Ted over at XS650Chopper.com asked if I had ever set one up. At the time my bike was charging ok, so I didn't look into it. Then I met a dude at the Smokeout who had it and I knew I wanted a trouble free charging system. I couldnt find an RD stator and flywheel, so I did some more research. I had read Mr. Riggs stuff over at the garage, but couldn't afford his Stator Bracket at the time (its a NICE piece for sure) so I made the standard bracket like I sell now. I realized that more people wanted to swap over, but costs were and issue.
When I quit my dayjob, I took a gamble and had 100 of the bracket kits laser cut and started to sell them. I had no idea that they would actually sell like they do. Over 300 have been sold in just 3-4 months. Thats basically how Hugh's HandBuilt was born. But I am no electrical guru. Mr. Riggs is the man for that, and so is Pamcopete. I'm more of an engine and frame kinda guy as well as an Industrial Designer/Product Designer and HATE wiring, hence using the PMA swap to simplify my builds.
There are some amazing folks on these boards, I just like being a part of the community, and my Industrial Design Background keeps my brain running non-stop for things to build for these bikes.
BigJimmyW13
XS650 Guru
Lol yeah all of my wiring knowledge comes from Pete and Riggs! I have Pete's ignition and Riggs stator plate.
Riggs I specifically worded my statement to be true. You wrote the book over at the garage!
They both personally helped me get my PMA setup working correctly.
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Riggs I specifically worded my statement to be true. You wrote the book over at the garage!
They both personally helped me get my PMA setup working correctly.
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Beau
I like metal.
So the one in the ebay link won't work then? Crap. I guess I didn't get a good deal after all.
mrriggs
XS650 Junkie
Sorry, I didn't make that very clear. It's not right for a CBR (cause it's wound different) and it's not right for a VF500 (cause the wires come out in a different spot) but since it's Wye wound, and yours is a custom install, it will work for you. You'll just have to get creative with routing the wires.
rwingsfan
Xs 650 Dummy
In the few I have done, I have found the VF500/V30 stator and regulator to work about the best. The stator bolts right up on the Mr. Riggs plate and the wire screw fits right in the indentation he machined there. Fits perfectly. I am anxious to try out Punkskalar's new kit though with I believe a new stator and everything. Now if a guy could find those pesky Banshee rotors for more like $25 instead of the $80-100 I have had tp pay, that would be cool.
Beau
I like metal.
That's what I was thinking. I suppose I could just holes drilled in a different location on the adapter. Maybe I will get lucky and it won't be the one pictured.
Thanks.
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Beau
I like metal.
I called my buddy that is building my engine and he said he had an RZ350 stator laying around for free. It looks a little different though. Is this the right thing? Are you cutting off the pulse coil too?
Thanks guys.
Thanks guys.
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mrriggs
XS650 Junkie
It is a three phase stator so it will work but I would imagine that the output will be lower than a full three-phase stator since it has fewer charging coils to make room for the high voltage CDI coils.
Beau
I like metal.
Thank you!
