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Interest in 8 plate clutch conversions?

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by gggGary, Jan 9, 2020.

Would you be interested in an 8 plate clutch conversion?

  1. Yes! my money's on the way

    8 vote(s)
    61.5%

  2. Are you kidding? Those are not genuine Yamaha!

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  3. Clutch? no one ever has clutch problems!

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  4. Maybe later on, after I get my build/restore done and on the road.

    5 vote(s)
    38.5%
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  1. Jan 9, 2020 #1
    gggGary

    gggGary I'm listening, change my mind XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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    Talked to Alto today they have "our" plates in stock, but in Europe. I tossed out a number, 200 plates or about 25 clutch conversions. This would resurrect the old ippytattoo 8 plate conversion. I talked to ippy about this before and he said go for it, he wouldn't jump through the hoops again. I put one in Madness and could not be happier. You need the 8 new (thinner) friction plates and one extra stock steel plate assuming your existing steels are good. I can prolly do about 15 sets from plates I have here, you can also order them new from Yamaha and maybe I can round some more up from flea bay or member stashes.
    So round numbers about $80 to your door for 8 friction plates. please put your 2 cents in the poll and feel free to reply, good, bad, or MEH.
    I think ippy installed or sold about 12 sets, he did sell out of what he.
    I have not done it but Ippytattoo had done turned some later (80 up?) hubs to remove the "half plate shelf" and steel spring to make the 8 plate conversion. That might be something I could offer also.
    Here's ippy's previous thread. http://www.xs650.com/threads/alto-8-pack-clutch-kits.33399/#post-338934
    These plates are not a big seller for Alto, they only had 7 plates total in the US, and no plans for a production run. They also fit some other Yamaha's and Suzuki GS1000's
     
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  2. Jan 9, 2020 #2
    Gator xs2

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    When Roland Stuart rebuilt my clutch he told me to get him another plate. Go figure.
     
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  3. Jan 9, 2020 #3
    GLJ

    GLJ Never go faster than your guardian angle can fly. Top Contributor

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    Can a 256 clutch be altered to use them? If so would it handle the horsepower of a 256 engine?:whistle:
     
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  4. Jan 9, 2020 #4
    gggGary

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    Ippy said 74-79 and the 80 up with the hub machining mod. Would have to look into the 256 motor clutches.
     
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  5. Jan 9, 2020 #5
    Gator xs2

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    Mines a 256. Clutch pull seems a bit stiffer that before but that could be due to new springs.
     
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  6. Jan 9, 2020 #6
    willis

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    I’d be in for one. I was disappointed when ippy disappeared and I missed the boat.
     
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  7. Jan 9, 2020 #7
    GLJ

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    I'll take a set. Don't worry about the 256 application I'll figure it out.
     
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  8. Jan 9, 2020 #8
    gggGary

    gggGary I'm listening, change my mind XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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    Cool guys, Yeah I'm interested in the 256 fit too. Might give 2many a buzz.
    memory sez the early plates are thinner clutch hub not as deep.
     
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  9. Jan 9, 2020 #9
    GLJ

    GLJ Never go faster than your guardian angle can fly. Top Contributor

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    Green 256's didn't make enough HP to hurt themselves. It was the red and white ones that needed a better clutch.:gun:
     
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  10. Jan 9, 2020 #10
    gggGary

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    Ooh come north of the cheese log wall buddy them's fight'n words!
    "Sides everyone knows the green un's were the fastest XS650's ever built.
    'les you got a 72 homologation special...
     
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  11. Jan 9, 2020 #11
    Beags64

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    Two please.
     
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  12. Jan 9, 2020 #12
    AndersJ

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    I’d be in for one as I’m going to have to rebuild the clutch on my ‘74 anyway. Might as well do it right the first time.
     
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  13. Jan 9, 2020 #13
    GLJ

    GLJ Never go faster than your guardian angle can fly. Top Contributor

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    Getting through a cheese log wall is a piece of "cake" unless it's reinforced with sausage logs.
    I've always felt my 72 was special, that's why I still have it.
    In the late 70's I had a horrible problem with clutch slippage at high RPMs. Come out of the hole great, about the time it hit 6500 in 4th the clutch would start slipping at 7000 it would let go. Took a while to get to the bottom of it. Will be interesting when I get that engine back in and running if the clutch is still good. Sitting for 30 + years shouldn't have hurt it. It looked OK when I had it apart last year.
     
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  14. Jan 9, 2020 #14
    Jack

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    Have 30 plus years in the transmission business and if these thinner friction plates are anything like thinner trans friction (They were made by Alto for the 700R4 and 4L60E trans), they'll eventually warp causing issues later on. But I'm in for the basket mod
     
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  15. Jan 9, 2020 #15
    gggGary

    gggGary I'm listening, change my mind XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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    About 8,000 miles on Madness (750) with this 8 plate clutch, no problems finding neutral. No slipping, smooth action. Couldn't keep the stock clutch from slipping even with stiffer springs. I don't always flog it, but it's been used hard.
     
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  16. Jan 9, 2020 #16
    Jack

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    Well that's good to know,just let me know what you guys plan on doing,I'm in either way.
     
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  17. Jan 9, 2020 #17
    gggGary

    gggGary I'm listening, change my mind XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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    Yes, need to find out a total delivered cost on the plates from europe, with time differences may be tomorrow or Monday.
    With what I'm seeing here will most likely do this.
     
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  18. Jan 9, 2020 #18
    JAX71224

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    Me also!! one for m '78 also need one s eel pla e. I have a ke board issue on 2 carac ers if a know wha I mean.....
     
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  19. Jan 10, 2020 #19
    Signal

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    We run an alto 8 plate clutch in number 250. The clutch takes a beating every start and is still holding up well, although the plates have gone black.
    I doubt you will have problems on a road bike with them.
    I am interested dependent on price compared with Europe suppliers.
     
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  20. Jan 10, 2020 #20
    gggGary

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    Now that's a serious torture test and testimonial!
    These plates are also used in;
    Suzuki
    GS1000 (8)
    Yamaha
    XS400 Seca Maxim (5)
    RZ500 (7)
    YZF1000R1 98-03 (7)
    Maxim 1100 82 (8)
    XS1100 78-81 (8)
    FJR1300 2003 (8)
     
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