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Is it my turn? Anything to do with lathes, mills and other shop tools

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by gggGary, Dec 2, 2017.

  1. gggGary

    gggGary Stop that! XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    The first owner bought my 4003 Grizzly to do wood turning! :umm:
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  2. Ratranger

    Ratranger XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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    Thats an awful spendy way to turn wood.

    I'm getting close to using my tools again. Picked up a 44" kennedy box, got the mill back together and got the others close to their new home. 20200622_174946.jpg 20200620_134352_HDR.jpg
     
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  3. SEd27

    SEd27 XS650 Enthusiast

    Have a couple noob question for you guys with Lathes, as I am looking to purchase one.

    I’ve got limited space (12’ x 12’ shop). What size should I be focusing my search on? Only looking to do motorcycle related projects.

    What can I reasonably looking to budget to get started? Would be looking for an older machine.

    Everything in my surrounding area seems to fall in the following ranges - $1000-$1500+ for non running/ missing parts: $2000-$3000+ Older running units.

    All prices in Canadian dollars
     
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  4. Ratranger

    Ratranger XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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    If you can find something like an atlas 10" that'll do anything you want. The little 7x12 lathes are on the small side.
     
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  5. Paul Sutton

    Paul Sutton Sprained Ankle Top Contributor

    Many people say to buy the biggest you can afford. I say buy the biggest you can move. If you have the right equipment at home you can move big lathes. My baby lathe can be picked up and moved about quite easily by me but it has a maximum working diameter of about 3.5". That is fine for me but sometimes I wish I could go much bigger. For example I had an unevenly worn disk brake rotor and I would love to have put it in a lathe with a grinder attached. Instead I had to bolt it to the bench and grind carefully by hand with an oil stone for 5 hours. If you know what sort of projects you will work on then you can match them to a lathe size. If you are not sure but have the workshop space then do as Ratranger suggested above. Also, some lathes have a small section of the bed near the chuck that can be removed to allow even large items to be worked on. Check your electrics to see what horsepower motor you can run - approximately 750 Watt is 1 Hp. If you buy one and it proves to be too small you can always sell it and buy another. The resale prices on lathes is excellent so you do not lose much. I have done several repair jobs that saved we more than the lathe cost e.g. I repaired a Hitachi carburetor 2 years back because parts were not available. Buying replacements carbs have cost more than my lathe cost.
     
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  6. SEd27

    SEd27 XS650 Enthusiast

    Ratranger and Paul Sutton,

    Thanks for the input. That is just what I was looking for.
     
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  7. SEd27

    SEd27 XS650 Enthusiast

    One more question for the experienced...does it make sense to try and find a milling machine instead?

    Used lathes seem to be more plentiful, but there is an appeal to the smaller footprint the mill provides.
     
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  8. Beags64

    Beags64 XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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    If I had to go back to just one I'd go with the lathe. Got by for quite a while with just an old 10x24 Logan.
     
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  9. Ratranger

    Ratranger XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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    Both can do things the other can't. Mill is very handy for some jobs, but lathe gets a big workout on bikes. Spacers, adapters, pegs, etc all on lathe.

    If you can get a milling adapter you can do some milling on the lathe. The benchtop mills can do more than a milling adapter on a lathe, but are very limited compared to a knee mill.

    I would get a lathe first, easier to learn, less extras needed to get the best out of it. A couple HSS tool blanks, a bench grinder, and some time will get you going.

    To really get the full use out of a mill there are lots of extras needed. Vise, collets, end mills, drill chuck, parallels, and that's basics. Depending on what you want to do add a rotary table, indexer, dividing head, fly cutter, angle plate, and many more.
     
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  10. Beags64

    Beags64 XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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  11. Paul Sutton

    Paul Sutton Sprained Ankle Top Contributor

    Lathes and milling machines complement each other nicely.
     
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  12. kopcicle

    kopcicle antidisestablishmentarian

    Mills are cheap and take up a limited footprint. The tooling can fill a garage and cost more than the house...
     
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  13. Paul Sutton

    Paul Sutton Sprained Ankle Top Contributor

    Saw an advert today for a 3D Metal Printer. Maybe that's the way to go....
     
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  14. SEd27

    SEd27 XS650 Enthusiast

    Thanks for all the responses.

    Looks like I will stick with my original path and keep on the lookout for an older lathe.
     
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  15. Ratranger

    Ratranger XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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    Something in the 9-12" size with 18+" between centers will do about anything you want. My atlas is a 10" swing with 36" between centers. I've turned a 6" diameter piece of 4140 into a custom axle/hub for a single sided fork, and I've profiled, chambered and threaded a custom barrel. Bigger would be nice because they are more rigid, but with patience you can do a bunch with a southbend 9" or atlas or logan 10". Up to a 13 or 14" swing won't take up much more space.
     
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  16. Wordman

    Wordman XS650 Enthusiast

    Just received everything in this photo except the screw and the headstock.

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  17. kshansen

    kshansen XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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    Hope you have the bed to mount all those bits on!
     
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  18. Wordman

    Wordman XS650 Enthusiast

    Yes, they all go with my Southbend 9A
     
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  19. Beags64

    Beags64 XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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