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Jim's 1980 SG Miss September

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by Jim, Sep 26, 2017.

  1. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    Yes, they're the same stand.
     
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  2. madmax-im

    madmax-im Yamaha...Go your own way... XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    I figured that once i re- read your posting..so cutting it down 1" is the solution...
     
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  3. Machine

    Machine Race the wind Top Contributor

    Longer shocks benefit the visual stance of the bike. The seat height and the handling as well.
    Center stand ease is also a benefit of longer shocks.
     
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  4. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    As I mentioned earlier, I don't see the need to shorten the stand. Take the other steps I mentioned and the bike will be very easy to put up on the centerstand.
     
  5. Paul Sutton

    Paul Sutton Still Looking Good Top Contributor

    You could always cut a 3/4" deep hole in the garage floor....
     
  6. gggGary

    gggGary I'm listening, change my mind XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Whatever you do don't roll the rear wheel up on a piece of 2x6 before using the center stand, it takes all the fun out of it.
    I have a beat up, needs welding centerstand for the Norton on the way from England, Commando stands are like hens teeth.
     
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  7. yamahama

    yamahama '72 XS in Restoration XS650.com Supporter

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    Bad news , good news. Finishing off the seat pan, reaming and tapping the 6mm bracket holes only I tried, after lots of penetrating lube to back out a broken screw and the reversing bit grabbed and stuck....and broke it off clean in the hole. Biting in there good. Good news, machinist is back but not feeling to hot like the weather is. Looking like I'm going to have to build up a layered seat foam on top of this pan as I am pretty much out of options for ready made molded foam....may explain that later.
     
  8. David Toll

    David Toll Reliving my youth? Top Contributor

    Hello Jim,
    I am having trouble with the power stud on my starter - it is rotating. Ihad thought it to be irreplaceable but I just found this thread. Did you replace the rusted stud when you did this starter rebuild?
     
  9. Jim

    Jim Beyond the edge is the unknown. Here be Dragons XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    No I didn't. Once I got the rusted nuts and washers off, the stud was actually in pretty good shape. I saw where yours is twisting. Iirc, once you get it apart, you should be able to tighten the stud.
     
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  10. David Toll

    David Toll Reliving my youth? Top Contributor

    Cheers, that's what I'm hoping.
     
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  11. Greyandridin

    Greyandridin Got nothing to do and all day to do it XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Thanks for the info Jim
    My 75 will just get grease zerks it goes easy now
    But my triumph will have to have the stand shortened some more and for sure I will have to alter the feet
    I know that where the problem is it's like your fighting the angle of the feet
    It's been shortened 3/4" and it's still a hernia maker
     
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  12. Greyandridin

    Greyandridin Got nothing to do and all day to do it XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    :laughing:
     
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  13. Grimly

    Grimly XS650 Addict

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    Oh, they will fit, all right, but it takes some careful shaving of the ends to get them into the MP08 coils. In my case I was determined to get them to fit because the leads were supposed to be some super high-tech stuff that would (did ) cost a lot for the original owner if he was fitting them to his fork truck :) These leads came with moulded plug caps for the business end and that meant I had to use resistor plugs and the NGK plug caps got retired. Way I see it, is every set of new plugs automatically fits a new resistor too, so saves an extra point of hassle down the road.
    Can't say I noticed any difference, but perhaps it's more of a relibility issue and the lack of trouble won't be noticeable until some time I realise there have been no plugwire / cap troubles for thousands of miles.
     
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  14. David Toll

    David Toll Reliving my youth? Top Contributor

    I was down at my local mechanic shop yesterday. It's run by a couple of old gaffers, ('bout my age), who are the epitome of the genuine "backyard" mechanic type - long grey hair in a pony tail, dirty blue jeans, sneakers, flanno shirt over a grease stained "Humble Pie" T-shirt, unwashed and smoking rollies. They have worked on my SE a couple of times doing fine tuning and providing compliance plate advice and their knowledge and product is excellent. I rode in and did the centre stand shuffle, nearly dumping the lovely old thing on the driveway. Skinniest of the two walked over and asked,
    "What the hell are you doing?"
    I replied that getting the SE on the stand was an impossible chore. He responded, "Observe."
    He pushed the bike onto its wheels, put his right hand under the grab rail, stood on the centre stand foot extension with his right foot, (left foot off the ground), and lifted it cleanly onto the stand. To say I was amazed is an understatement - it actually works - all weight on the extension and lift it straight up. I thought the extension was so that I could kick the stand down not lock it so it rolls up onto its feet. It is now my practiced parking technique. I'm going to take down a carton of Coopers when they're closing up and see what other essential info I can scavenge. It irks me that guys like this pass away and take all their experience with them. If you're struggling with the centre stand I suggest you try it. Will post a video when I get a chance.
    Cheers
     
  15. Paul Sutton

    Paul Sutton Still Looking Good Top Contributor

    IMO the key step to getting the bike on the centre stand is to:
    1. hold the bike perfectly vertical
    2. push the stand down gently until it touches the ground
    3. give the bike a very slight sideways rock to confirm both stand feet are touching the ground - very important
    4. then proceed as the mechanic showed you.
    A mistake I see many make is not having the bike perfectly vertical with only one stand foot touching the ground. I know it feels uncomfortable to hold the bike in the vertical position because of what may happen if it tips over, but you have to overcome this fear even if it means having someone stand the other side just in case.

    The XS Specials are more difficult to lift because the centre stand does not match the lower back wheel. Some people shorten the legs a little to correct for this on Specials. However there is a simple solution for your garage. What I did was place a piece of 3/4" chip board on the ground and roll the rear wheel onto this. This means you have now already achieved the most difficult part of the lift. Then when you use the centre stand it is far less effort.

    Putting my Virago XV1000, a heavier bike, on the stand is similar to lifting an XS Special with a board under the back wheel. If I put a board under the wheel of the Virago then the bike lifts by just standing on the stand's tang with the other foot off the ground.

    The use of the centre stand is mainly about having the confidence to hold the bike vertical with one foot on the tang and both feet of the stand touching the ground.
     
    Last edited: Sep 5, 2020
  16. Raymond

    Raymond XS650 rider, fettler, setting out on a journey XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    What Paul said.

    A breakthrough for me, many years ago, a fellow biker saw that I was a bit awkward/putting too much effort into putting a bike on the centre stand. He said, 'You're pulling the bike back to get it on the stand. You need to pull up!'

    For the XS, I am facing the bike, one foot on the tang, right hand takes the grab rail, pull up.
     
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  17. David Toll

    David Toll Reliving my youth? Top Contributor

    Yes Raymondo, that was my previous error as well. As you say....... up not back.
     
  18. Paul Sutton

    Paul Sutton Still Looking Good Top Contributor

    I can remember trying to pull the RD250B backwards to get it on the stand back in 1978. I can even remember trying to pull the bike back a bit first to get up some momentum. It all never worked. I think someone showed me roughly how to do it then I figured the rest out myself. In 1982 while living in Australia I remember showing someone how to do it on a Susuki 650 Four and they could not believe how easy it could be.

    It seems that everyone learnt from someone else, so who showed the first person how it was done?
     
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  19. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    Yes, standing on the tang is an important part of this operation. That's why bracing the tang makes it even easier - you don't lose as much force through tang flex as you used to. Most all of it now gets transmitted into deploying the stand.
     
  20. Jim

    Jim Beyond the edge is the unknown. Here be Dragons XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Stomp it... stomp it good.
    Was talkin' with Greg the other day and he asked if I'd worked on a heel toe shifter yet. Said I had too many projects goin' to work on it. Woke up this morning intending to work on the basement remodel.... finally said screw it, let's make a stomp shifter instead... would be lots more fun.
    Started with these...

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    I'd previously hacked up that shift and brake lever for forward controls. Changed my mind on that, so here we go. First I gotta put the shifter back together...


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    Yes... I really did weld that back together barefoot. Sue me.... :rolleyes:
    It was bent about as bad as any I'd seen before. Nothin' the orange beast couldn't handle though...


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    ... and a vise and 12" crescent. Actually, that's a metric crescent. :cautious:


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    Once it was back to good as new :whistle: started bending the brake lever to what I thought was close to what I wanted.


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    The problem here is the footpeg is in the way of just welding the brake lever on the back of the shift lever. It needs to attach in front of the splines and bend itself under the footpeg. Jigged it all up and tacked it together. Up the stairs for a test fit (welders are in the basement workshop). It worked but I wasn't quiet happy with the fit. Back down the stairs, cut it apart, bend some more, tack it together and back up to the bike. This step actually consumed about 2 hrs and more stairs than I could count. I'll spare y'all all the pics of what didn't work.


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    I finally got it to where it cleared the footpeg when shifting and it felt about right when I rested my foot on it. Back down to the basement and welded it together. What I didn't like now was the look. It looked like two pieces of metal stuck together at an odd angle. The term "butt ugly" comes to mind. After all the work I put into the SG, that just won't do. Satisfied it was where I wanted it, I burned about a half pound of wire into it and made a filet around the joint. So that decision meant several hrs of grinding, filing, sanding and polishing.... whew. And here we are...


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    Still needs more work before I send it off for chrome. Or I might just pay the extra for the chromers to finish it.
    Overall I'm happy. It's elegant and looks right at home now... I like it.:D
    Was gonna take it out for a test ride but after 6-8 hrs of up and down the stairs my knees and feet have vetoed that idea. Maybe tomorrow.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2020

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