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Just out of curiosity - Airplane Guys

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Downeaster, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. Greyandridin

    Greyandridin Got nothing to do and all day to do it XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Does the captain still fly from the left seat?
     
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  2. MaxPete

    MaxPete Lucille, Betty, Demi & Gretel: I ask, THEY decide. XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    ....actually, I think that the operational versions of the F-82 were powered by two Allisons (the original prototypes and the F-82B trainers were indeed, Merlin powered).

    Just imagine Gary - not one, but TWO Allisons!

    ....what could go wrong?
     
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2020
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  3. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty What should I put here? XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Yes, except for rotary wing. For tilt rotor, I don't know.
     
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  4. halfmile

    halfmile XS Builder XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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    Today on the VFT site. Always interesting stuff.:thumbsup:
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  5. MaxPete

    MaxPete Lucille, Betty, Demi & Gretel: I ask, THEY decide. XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    The Wobblin’ Goblin!
     
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  6. Greyandridin

    Greyandridin Got nothing to do and all day to do it XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Whats the VFT site.
     
  7. Jim

    Jim Beyond the edge is the unknown. Here be Dragons XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    We just called it "The Bat."
     
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  8. halfmile

    halfmile XS Builder XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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    Vintage Flat Track
     
  9. Jim

    Jim Beyond the edge is the unknown. Here be Dragons XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    It's coming up on 30yrs since the First Gulf War and the F-117 "Stealth" has long since been retired... so I don't think I'll get in any trouble sharing this....
    The Sqdrn. I served in had EF-111's... they were electronic jammers. Radar, communications... you name it, it's ALQ99 jamming system could completely shut it down. The crews used to say that with all 10 transmitters pumping the hair would stand up on their arms. Anyways....
    I was one of the line chiefs. Part of my job was to make sure all 28 aircraft we had were ready to fly whatever mission they were given. Toward that end I was given a FRAG sheet at the beginning of every day. What that acronym stands for eludes me now, but it was a secret document we used to configure airplanes based on the mission they were going to fly that night. Fuel load, weapons load... tons of info required to prep the airplane. Among that info was target, number and type of aircraft being "escorted." On the first night of the war, I had to configure 6 (I think) aircraft to escort several strike packages of F-117's to downtown Baghdad. When the crews returned the next morning they informed me that they did indeed sit just off the "Stealth Fighters" wingtips all the way "downtown" and back out... jamming everything that put out so much as an electronic "peep" as the crews put it.
    So... was the F-117 a steathy airplane that could evade radar as was claimed? I can't answer that, I'm not familiar enough with it to offer an opinion. What I do know is that during the First Gulf War... they did not prove that it could. It was escorted. I know...'cause I configured the jammers that escorted 'em.

    I'm not badmouthing it... far from it, it was a capable airplane.. it's just that for 30yrs I've read and saw stories about how the stealth fighter was the "hero" the first night of the war... and I've always held my tongue. So now you know. Guess I'll have to keep an eye out for the "black" helicopters now... :er: :cautious:
     
    Last edited: Jul 6, 2020
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  10. GLJ

    GLJ Never go faster than your guardian angle can fly. Top Contributor

    You are in a residential area. I'd be on the lookout for "black" SUVs.
     
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  11. Team Junk

    Team Junk XS650 Guru XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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  12. Greyandridin

    Greyandridin Got nothing to do and all day to do it XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Ill have to take a look
     
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  13. 59Tebo

    59Tebo 59Tebo Top Contributor

    p61b-2b.jpg p61b-2b.jpg If you think the P-38 was cool, how about the Northrup P-61 "Black Widow" night fight fighter? Crewed by three (pilot, gunner, and a first-the radar operator), it entered the war kinda late, but was the P-38's younger, bigger, badass brother.

    P.S. Huh. I liked it so much, I had to put it up twice..... t.
     
  14. azman857

    azman857 '80 XS 650SG Rider XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Very few of them left. Non flying that I know of but yes, a badass nightfighter.I think 3 models were made. P-61 A, B and C's. Mostly changes in electronics as they that advanced.
     
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  15. halfmile

    halfmile XS Builder XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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    Today on the VFT site. Two great ones!!:thumbsup:
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  16. azman857

    azman857 '80 XS 650SG Rider XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    The Northrop company took a dozen of the B-35's and yanked the R-4360s and put in an early jet engines(J-35?) to make them one of the first jet bombers. 40 yrs later using the same wingpsan dimension, created the Stealth Bomber.
     
  17. buzzword

    buzzword XS650 Addict

    you ever think about how the stealth bomber is 60s/70s technology, and what they might have now that we don’t even know about?

    wild.
     
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  18. azman857

    azman857 '80 XS 650SG Rider XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    The lippish(sp) brothers had a twin jet engine bomber in the mid 40's in development. Because it was mostly made of wood it was very stealthy to RADAR.
     
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  19. Hudriwudri

    Hudriwudri XS650 Member

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    I think you might mistake that with the horten Brothers those two were all "nurfluegel" thus Just Wings.

    For my favourite it would be the FW 152 with the experimental Bensinger/Wankel Db 60? Rotary valve head engine.
    Thank God in heaven they did not have anymore the resources to get any further with that and any other advanced projects.

    Kind regards and have a nice Sunday
    Christian
     
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  20. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty What should I put here? XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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    These were my favorite airplanes because it was my job for many years to keep them moving. I'm also fully aware of what their current dispatch reliability is. That, and I just like them. The RR powered 757 is a real seat of the pants rocket!
     

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