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Just out of curiosity - Airplane Guys

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Downeaster, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. xjwmx

    xjwmx It's just the unknown. Top Contributor

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    I guess my question was about balancing risk and overreaction. If the plane coughs on takeoff do you set it down wheels up and destroy it but survive, or do you continue, and risk that it will quit totally a hundred feet in the air over the city 30 seconds from now. Could-a, should-a. I'm getting these plane videos in my feed where people talk about this kind of stuff. Besides "fly it through the crash" another maxim is "planes are expendable and insured"
     
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  2. Jim

    Jim Beyond the edge is the unknown. Here be Dragons XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Each situation is different... there is no one size fits all answer. Before every flight you evaluate your situation. Weight, fuel load, runway... obstructions... wind direction and such. Then you formulate an action for every foreseeable situation. If you have others on board, you brief them (at leas I do) on your plan of action. Suitably armed, your reactions are pre-planned and set in mind. That way there's no second guessing your actions real time. You already know how you're gonna react, it's just a matter of following through.
     
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  3. fredintoon

    fredintoon Fred Hill, S'toon. Top Contributor

    Hi xj,
    not every 'plane.
    Back in the 1950s a group of BAC apprentices rebuilt a Bristol Bulldog, a 1930s fighter that my dad worked
    on back in the day and famous for being the aircraft that crushed Douglas Bader's legs when he crashed it. (Amongst the World's first steel-framed aircraft, kinda heavy, lost 20 feet of altitude when flick-rolled, unlike the Gloster Gamecock Dougie was used to.)
    The only airworthy Bulldog still in existence. Our chief test pilot survived crashing it at the Paris Air Show.
    Funny thing, if he'd crashed a new aircraft the boys would have said "No problem, we'll build you another one."
    But he'd crashed the Bulldog. The boys spat on the floor where he'd walked.
     
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  4. Grimly

    Grimly XS650 Addict

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    Yep. Friend of mine was asked why he always went to the far end of the massive runways when he was flying a tiddler. He pointed out that if he got into the habit of joining the runway halfway along and could easily take off with loads of room to spare, there will be one time he wished he hadn't.
     
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  5. xjwmx

    xjwmx It's just the unknown. Top Contributor

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    Here's something fascinating. First, some amazing acrobatics, like a ballet in the clouds and at the end his prop comes off and he makes a perfect landing and even rolls to a perfect place.

    Then, the same guy playing a rube on his first airplane ride and in the act the plane takes off without the pilot and does random slow floating stuff close to the ground almost like a helicopter



     
  6. Boog

    Boog Traveling Stroyteller Top Contributor

    I wonder if he ever found the right fishing hole?
    [​IMG]
     
  7. azman857

    azman857 '80 XS 650SG Rider XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Most likely did. Bomb bay doors are open for a reason. Trust me. They are cavernous. Huge bay. I've seen them.
     
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  8. fredintoon

    fredintoon Fred Hill, S'toon. Top Contributor

    Hi Boog,
    most likely a practice or re-enactment photo of a bouncing bomb drop.
     
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  9. Jim

    Jim Beyond the edge is the unknown. Here be Dragons XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    It wouldn't be an accurate re-enactment then. The bombs (and powered trapeze) were too wide to fit the bomb bay. They were carried externally.

    dam_busters_bomb_composites.jpg
     
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  10. fredintoon

    fredintoon Fred Hill, S'toon. Top Contributor

    Hi Jim,
    agreed but normal Lancs would be aerodynamically near enough the same as the bouncing bomb units for crew training while maintaining operational security.
    It's been 40 years since I read "The Dam Busters" and I betcha some of the details weren't right; and the Movie even less so.
     
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  11. Ah, in 1974 or so, I saw a Piper act like that at the Rheinbeck Aerodrome in NY. Only this time it was a farmer and did those tricks with his leg hanging out the door. The Rheinbeck Aerodrome was famous for having 3 rotary engine planes in the air at once.
     
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  12. Mailman

    Mailman Hardly a Guru Top Contributor

    Chuck Yeager, a legend in his own time, has died at the age of 97.
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  13. Raymond

    Raymond XS650 rider & fettler XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Heard the news this morning about Chuck. To be honest, I didn't know he was still alive but 97 is a good age! As a kid, used to read boys' annuals from the 1950s, and would be enthralled by articles such as breaking the sound barrier, complete with photographs like the one above. The future seemed like an exciting place back then.
     
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  14. MaxPete

    MaxPete Lucille, Betty, Demi & Gretel: I ask, THEY decide. XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    It sure was - anything seemed possible and the predictions of some the future technologies (flying cars etc.) were actually kind of funny - if you did the math on them - while others were actually pretty close to today's reality (like for example the Apple wrist iphone as compared to Dick Tracy's wrist phone).
     
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  15. halfmile

    halfmile XS Builder XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

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  16. MaxPete

    MaxPete Lucille, Betty, Demi & Gretel: I ask, THEY decide. XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Truly a rare kinda guy.
     
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  17. 59Tebo

    59Tebo 59Tebo Top Contributor

    The original "Right Stuff". May you rest in peace forever among the stars.
     
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  18. xjwmx

    xjwmx It's just the unknown. Top Contributor

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    The Battle of Palmdale, California. Two jets fire 208 rockets point blank at a Grumman Hellcat without a pilot and can't hit it. But hit everything else...
     
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  19. gggGary

    gggGary I'm listening, change my mind XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

  20. Jim

    Jim Beyond the edge is the unknown. Here be Dragons XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    "The entrepreneur has in mind a higher objective and a faster timeline, however. Receiving an award last week from the Germany digital publishing group Axel Springer SE, he said he aimed to have people at Mars in the next four to six years."

    Ever the optimist...
     
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