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My XS2 gas tank , failed tank liner

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by Mailman, Sep 17, 2020.

  1. WideAWAKE

    WideAWAKE Single Fins and Twin Cylinders

    We used to take our tanks to a local shop that rebuilt radiators. They would coat our tanks for about 30 bucks. Probably took over 100 tanks to them when I was working at a restoration shop. Never had one go bad. - not quite sure what they used to line em (it was about 15 years ago) but maybe ask around if you have any radiator shops left in your town.
     
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  2. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty What should I put here? XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    You really need to make sure whatever you line the tank with is impervious to everything in your fuel. See @Mailman post #7. What was a perfectly good tank liner 20 years ago may no longer be the case.
     
  3. MaxPete

    MaxPete Lucille, Betty & Demi - I suggest but THEY decide. XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    ZACKLEY!!

    When I enquired about tank liners around here, all of the motorcycle shops used Kreme but further research revealed that it is dissolved by ethanol and so while it was a good product years ago, now it simply is not.

    Challenging choices.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2020
  4. Mailman

    Mailman Hardly a Guru Top Contributor

    My biggest fear is that the tank will be somehow damaged by them trying to remove the failed liner. If they decide to go after it with a torch and try to burn it out, the tank could warp or the connection to the filler neck could melt.

    I’m also concerned that the liner they replace it with will be no more resistant to our fuel here, than the first liner, and I’ll be right back to square one.

    The gas tank was delivered back to them yesterday. Maybe I’ll get it back by Christmas! o_O
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  5. MaxPete

    MaxPete Lucille, Betty & Demi - I suggest but THEY decide. XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Bob: why don't you just ask them what product they intend to use as a liner?

    In principle, if they can remove all of the existing rust in the tank and then apply an impervious liner, the tank should be fine (as long as it hasn't been perforated by rust pitting already).

    The key thing, obviously, is the ability of the new liner material to withstand modern fuels. Given the amount of work put into that tank, I'd be keen to know what is going back into it.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2020
  6. GLJ

    GLJ Never go faster than your guardian angle can fly. Top Contributor

    You ruined my day. If I remember correctly I used Cream in my Hurricane 30+ years ago. It had sat in a stock trailer for 7 years before I bought it. I was having rust problems. Not looking forward to dealing with that.
     
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  7. GLJ

    GLJ Never go faster than your guardian angle can fly. Top Contributor

    From their web site. They say it will work with gasohol. Hope the stuff they sold in the 80s will also.
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  8. MaxPete

    MaxPete Lucille, Betty & Demi - I suggest but THEY decide. XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Well, back in the day it was good stuff. I was told that the problem isn't so much the Kreem liner material, it is the fact that it cannot withstand modern fuels.

    Apparently, the people who made it have simply not kept up with the new fuel chemistry - but perhaps since I did my research, they have updated their formula.

    In any event, you might want to have a go at re-lining the Hurricane tank....
     
  9. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty What should I put here? XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    I went through it eight years ago. I documented it at XS650 Garage USA. I'm not positive, but I believe Kreme is dissolved by acetone or MEK.

    [​IMG]
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2020
  10. GLJ

    GLJ Never go faster than your guardian angle can fly. Top Contributor

    I knew there was a reason I've been putting the tank off until last.
     
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  11. Mailman

    Mailman Hardly a Guru Top Contributor

    I have before. The guy that owns the business ( Randy Marble ) is not very helpful. He farms out the work and says he doesn’t know. The first time I sent it to him and I asked, all he could or would say is that it was some 3M product that they’ve done hundreds of tanks with and they’ve never had a problem. Then he starts getting testy and rushes you off the phone. I’ve mentioned this before, he’s kid of a crusty guy. In fact we didn’t part on the best of terms last time and that’s why I was all the more surprised when he offered to warranty the job. Maybe he was like that with so many people that is just business as usual to him and I was just another customer? I don’t know.
    But to me, I didn’t really care for it.
    Here’s another weird tidbit. His bike restoration business is in Plano Texas, but he has you send the paintwork to Oklahoma City Ok, which is 230 miles away. I Googled the address and it comes up as an automotive wheel repair company in a strip mall. When I asked about it , all he would say is that it’s the correct address. So is he subcontracting the paint out too, or does he own both shops? Again, I don’t know. That probably explains why he is so vague on the liner though, it isn’t done in his shop in Texas.
     
  12. GLJ

    GLJ Never go faster than your guardian angle can fly. Top Contributor

    Bob
    I hope and pray this works out OK for you.
    If it doesn't I can set you up with this tank with matching side covers. Then you can put on extended forks and I'll sell you a speedo cable.
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    What are friends for? Sleep easy tonight.
     
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  13. Mailman

    Mailman Hardly a Guru Top Contributor

    Ha! I can see the vision man! You’re never too old to be young again, you can call me Thunderbird Duke! :D
    Thanks buddy!
     
  14. GLJ

    GLJ Never go faster than your guardian angle can fly. Top Contributor

    That tank and matching side covers with blacked out headlight bucket and fork ears on your bike. They would have to stop the presses. New calendar Girl!:laughing:
     
  15. GLJ

    GLJ Never go faster than your guardian angle can fly. Top Contributor

    Or would that be ThunderTurd Duke.
     
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2020
  16. Jim

    Jim Beyond the edge is the unknown. Here be Dragons XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Go on Bob... you know you want to....

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  17. Mailman

    Mailman Hardly a Guru Top Contributor

    Free as a bird baby! Livin the dream!
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  18. gggGary

    gggGary I'm listening, change my mind XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Don't let @TwoManyXS1Bs see that! He'll be draggin' the chopper up from the back 40! (guess in texas it's the back 1600?)
     
  19. TwoManyXS1Bs

    TwoManyXS1Bs BBQ Hunter Top Contributor

    Hmm, interesting.

    Needs some psychedelic paisleys... :D
     
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  20. cra-z1

    cra-z1 XS650 Junkie

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    And to think there are still guys trying to emulate those bikes (hardtails) with the 650's.
     
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