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question about braided brake lines

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by bluesman650, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. Downeaster

    Downeaster Everything in XS Top Contributor

    Usually, yes. The two times I tried to use a Mike's MC kit, I wound up cleaning up the original piston, cup and spring and popping them back in.

    Don't use anything but fresh brake fluid to clean things with, wear nitrile gloves (or whatever you prefer) and DO NOT get brake fluid on paint. It makes a great stripper...

    You may need new piston seals on the caliper, but other than that a good cleaning and inspection works about 95% of the time in my experience.
    gggGary and robinc like this.
  2. bluesman650

    bluesman650 XS650 Enthusiast

    So can I use brake clean to clean things up?
  3. gggGary

    gggGary Stop that! Top Contributor XS650.com Supporter

    Only metal, NOT rubber parts
  4. bluesman650

    bluesman650 XS650 Enthusiast

    OK thanks. My snap ring pliers don't reach the snap ring on the MC. Does anyone know a source of the long reach pliers other than Mike's?
  5. gggGary

    gggGary Stop that! Top Contributor XS650.com Supporter

    I just buy a long nose micro needle nose and lightly grind the ends to fit the snap ring. It really helps to go in with an awl and get the snap ring freed up by probing, twisting it in the slot before trying to remove it.
  6. bluesman650

    bluesman650 XS650 Enthusiast

    Thanks Gary, I think I have a pair of those. I also might try using a pair of picks.
  7. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

  8. bluesman650

    bluesman650 XS650 Enthusiast

    Thanks, it came out pretty easy using a straight pick and a offset one,
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  9. racerdave

    racerdave ^ Gone not forgotten ^

    This is true, but you have also added 2 more spots on the line for potential leaks. FWIW.
  10. bluesman650

    bluesman650 XS650 Enthusiast

    HI, Do you remember what banjo bolt angle and what female end you ordered? The reason I ask is the only angle I see for the banjo is for 45 deg. and the ones Mike's sells say's it has a 20 deg angle. How important is the angle? The one at the MC on my rider is straight but the one on the parts bike is angled.
  11. Ratranger

    Ratranger XS650 Addict

    What I got wouldn't help. I've got radial master cylinders, so for stock I couldn't say.
  12. bluesman650

    bluesman650 XS650 Enthusiast

    OK, Thanks
  13. 650Skull

    650Skull Dinosaur Lives Top Contributor

    Parts manual Diagram.............45 Degree......Don't think so, 20 degree angle is for a reason

    Kinda a conglomeration by Yamaha but if things are done properly there should never be leaks, and if you do find someone to make up 2 lines that eliminate the 2 steel brake lines then there are less joins to do so it will eliminate 2 joins.

    crop  text 74 TXA-75XSB Parts manual098 Brake line.jpg
  14. MrBultaco

    MrBultaco it ran before being parked Top Contributor XS650.com Supporter

    Bike Bandit has a nice selection of fittings:

    Goodridge Banjo Bolt
  15. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    The angle on the MC banjo simply helps direct the hose properly. It's more important with stock or maybe higher bars. I have lower, narrower bars (Euro bend) and a straight fitting works just fine .....

  16. racerdave

    racerdave ^ Gone not forgotten ^

    A 20 angle will help clear the caliper
  17. mrtwowheel

    mrtwowheel Honda Etched On Brain Top Contributor

    I think the hose that I got from banggood described the angle as 45*, in reality the angle was much less than that.

  18. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    Yes, down at the caliper, you want/need a slight angle, on banjo bolt types that is. His caliper is the threaded fitting type. I think they only come straight. That's why I would leave the factory steel pipe down there and just attach the new line to it.
  19. bluesman650

    bluesman650 XS650 Enthusiast

    OK, I want to leave both of the stock steel pipe and just replace the rubber hoses with braided lines. Or am I just wasting money for what I'll gain?
  20. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    No, the original rubber lines need to be replaced. Stainless lines are the way to go. They pretty much never "wear out" and go soft like the rubber ones do, so this should be a one-time replacement deal. When the rubber lines go soft, the lever feel will be mushy and no amount of bleeding will fix it. The new stainless lines should restore the hard lever feel.

    I'm surprised no one around here has ever reported the fitting size and type used on these lines. If you knew that, it would be easy to search out replacements or have custom ones made. I would imagine it is a metric thread.

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