1. Dismiss Notice
  2. Dismiss Notice
  3. Hey Facebook people... We've created a group for XS650.com members to connect. Check it out!
    Dismiss Notice

Returning bike to stock ignition.

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by fiftynineab, Jul 4, 2019.

  1. fiftynineab

    fiftynineab XS650 Enthusiast

    I said coil and I meant condenser on that ground wire.
     
  2. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    17,316
    6,697
    688
    Yes, the two red/whites coming out of the harness hook to the two coil brown wires. It doesn't matter which one goes to which, they both split off the same red/white wire inside the harness (which is coming from the kill switch). That ground wire is, I guess, extra grounding for both the condenser pack and motor. The small end fits on the forward condenser pack mounting screw .....

    [​IMG]

    The large end gets trapped between the top motor mount and engine at the front right .....

    [​IMG]
     
    TwoManyXS1Bs, gggGary and fiftynineab like this.
  3. fiftynineab

    fiftynineab XS650 Enthusiast

    Thank you, thank you, thank you!
     
  4. peanut

    peanut XS650 Guru Top Contributor XS650.com Supporter

    Well done ! looks like you have finally discovered the true source of this problem .well perhaps we should say Goran did.;)
    The pcbs were not 'warped' as has been claimed ... they had been physically distorted by being fixed onto unevenly supported standoffs. Frankly I am surprised that the step wasn't noticed during installation :umm:
    2007-10-11Ignition09.jpg


    If the standoffs are not rebated as Goran did then tightening up the pcb fixing screws would distort the pcb . Over time the pcb board would bend more and more finally bringing the boards soldered joints into contact with the rotor .

    What surprises me is that I don't believe that my 78 does has this step ? I will remove my cover tomorrow and check. perhaps the housing had already been modified by the previous owner or perhaps I didn't notice the step when refitting the boyer
    I am not familiar with other model years but perhaps there are differences in the housings?

    Clearly this is/was an extremely rare problem as there only appears to be 2x references to it online out of all the thousands of Boyers that are sold Worldwide every year . My feeling is that if every XS650 owner fitting a Boyer ignition system had to create a step in the standoffs in order to fit the system then I think it would be a widely known issue.
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2019
  5. 650Skull

    650Skull Dinosaur Lives Top Contributor

    Post #26 Jan 8th 2018.....from when i bookmarked the 650 Garage link
    http://www.xs650.com/threads/ignitions-which-is-more-accurate.51185/page-2

    post #129 and #132 May 6th 2019.......
    http://www.xs650.com/threads/boyer-and-pamco-ignition.46859/page-7

    Post #143 and #144.....June 25th 2019
    http://www.xs650.com/threads/boyer-and-pamco-ignition.46859/page-8

    Post #149........June 15th 2019.........Again a put down and personal attack when an alternative to heat causing the plate warping was sugested
    http://www.xs650.com/threads/boyer-and-pamco-ignition.46859/page-8

    posts #150 and #152.........
    http://www.xs650.com/threads/boyer-and-pamco-ignition.46859/page-8

    I made reference to this problem a while ago...............got flamed and abused because you wouldn't listen to an alternative problem other than heat causing the plate warping.............In fact you spat the dummy and and accused several of us of name calling and personalty attacking you and trying to get you banned........This is the behavior of a troll.................

    Don't make out i i have finally solved this issue..........stop being a dickhead..............

    Yea being a bit of a dick posting this info ............but.............well............Peanut........lol

    Oh yea.and thanks for re-posting the eact same information i posted relating to the problem and solution on how to stop the plate from warpling.........left a couple of spelling mistakes for you to to be able to have a go at my literacy inteligenze..........
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2019
    fiftynineab likes this.
  6. Machine

    Machine Race the wind Top Contributor

    Uh oh, fiftynineab, meet peanut and 650skull , it’s a “mean love” relationship that pops up over Boyer ignition stuff. C’mon you guys !
    Anyway, all the orange/gray and brown to red&white coil connecting had me at a loss till I got back home and refreshed . That is confusing. Thanks 5twins again !
    -RT
    Hard to believe Yamaha Corp would confuse us back then with such crazy wire color connecting ..
     

    Attached Files:

    fiftynineab and Jim like this.
  7. peanut

    peanut XS650 Guru Top Contributor XS650.com Supporter

    skull .........seriously chum you need to seek some professional medical help for your problem . I and I expect many other members are completely mystified by your violent and offensive outbursts .

    Everyone else on here including me are just interested in learning about our bikes and enjoy chewing the fat over various issues .

    Have a re read of my post ...............and then look at your response ................and have a think about whether your response is appropriate or constructive or friendly. :)
     
  8. peanut

    peanut XS650 Guru Top Contributor XS650.com Supporter

    Ok
    this is a message to all members
    In the interests of trying to end this continuous vendetta that skull seems to have once and for all

    I would like everyone, including skull ,to please to read the post #44 above that I made in response to skulls post and tell me if I have said anything that could in any way be construed as rude or inflamatory or challenging or dismissive or any other negative comment that I made that could be the source for skulls aggressive and offensive response .......

    If I have then I will apologise .

    I haven't felt comfortable discussing any technical issue on this forum for several years now because of the actions of just 2 of the members who go out of their way to make my visits here as unpleasant as they possibly can. Just look at all the work skull has put into all the links in his post in order to have a pop at me. What a waste of time and effort . Life is too short.
     
  9. fiftynineab

    fiftynineab XS650 Enthusiast

    update! It runs! And it runs so good! Thankks to all for your help and patience. I still have some tuning to do points Gap Etc but it runs. I just through the points play in there and kept the Gap that was on them from when I took it apart to install my pamco. I must have had a pretty good tune on there because it fired right up. I just cannot thank you all enough.
     
  10. fiftynineab

    fiftynineab XS650 Enthusiast

    Also I'd like to apologize for mentioning anything about the Boyer electronic ignition. I've never used it don't know anything about it. I hear it's great I hastily read a couple of posts about it and did not finish reading all the way through did not do my homework before commenting on it. I did not mean to spark any controversy about the issue at all. I will say that my points seemed to work pretty good.
     
    peanut likes this.
  11. peanut

    peanut XS650 Guru Top Contributor XS650.com Supporter

    thats great well done. let us know how you get on with the tuning.
     
    fiftynineab likes this.
  12. Machine

    Machine Race the wind Top Contributor

    You’re Hired ! Awesome fast work there.
    Next you can look for any unwanted timing mark variation between the cylinders and try to
    “split the difference” on the seen error with your timing light if any.
    Again , nice thread to watch thanks,
    -R
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2019
    Mailman, peanut and fiftynineab like this.
  13. 650Skull

    650Skull Dinosaur Lives Top Contributor

    Nice one fifty........Just make sure the advance is doing its job properly when its revved up.........some other points in the PM
     
    fiftynineab likes this.
  14. peanut

    peanut XS650 Guru Top Contributor XS650.com Supporter

    absolutely nothing to apologize for fiftynineab its just a couple of us cranky old folk having a personality clash or something.;) just don't mention Boyer ok.....Arghhh ....there I mentioned it !:eek:
     
    gggGary likes this.
  15. fiftynineab

    fiftynineab XS650 Enthusiast

    What up fellas,

    Let me know if I should just start a new thread for this next question.

    I need to either rebuild my master cylinder. Or replace it with an aftermarket one. The washer at the bottom of the reservoir is Rusty and that doesn't come in the rebuild kit.
    Also
    Should I purchase the rebuild kit from Mike's xs? Is there a higher quality rebuild kit that I should get?
     
  16. Machine

    Machine Race the wind Top Contributor

    Yes, a 79F master cylinder rebuild thread of yours would be great !
    Any new bike pics would be nice too.
    K&L sells very good MC rebuild kits and is a great company to do business with as well .
    -R
     
    Mailman, mrtwowheel and fiftynineab like this.
  17. Jim

    Jim The thrill of victory and da agony of da feet. Top Contributor XS650.com Supporter

    Yeah... I'll vouch for K&L's mc kits. Ebays prolly your best bet.
     
    Mailman, mrtwowheel and fiftynineab like this.
  18. fiftynineab

    fiftynineab XS650 Enthusiast

    Okay.

    I'll start a new thread on rebuilding the master cylinder. And I'll order a kit. And post lots of pics.
    Thanks for the info.
     
    mrtwowheel, Machine and Jim like this.
  19. 650Skull

    650Skull Dinosaur Lives Top Contributor

  20. arcticXS

    arcticXS XS650 Junkie

    I believe some specialists in the UK resleeve master cylinders to a smaller diameter, and supply a new piston and seals to fit the sleeve. If original appearance combined with better braking is desirable, that is a good way to do it. If originality is less important, get a more modern MC. I use a 13 mm Brembo MC with the rectangular reservoir on both my XS with a Brembo 4 pot, and on my RD350 with the stock dual 48 mm piston caliper. A huge improvement on both bikes!
     

Share This Page