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Stella - 1977D survivor, back on the road.

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by DanielBlack, Sep 24, 2016.

  1. retiredgentleman

    retiredgentleman XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    I bought an inexpensive VOM, but it came with really poor quality meter leads. I threw those out, and bought a much better quality pair of leads. It makes a world of difference. My meter leads always read 0.7 ohms, so I can always adjust my readings to allow for that. Its always tricky to measure low resistances.
     
  2. DanielBlack

    DanielBlack XS650 Junkie

    Reply from Boyer Bransden:

    Thank you for your enquiry, the micro power kit draws around 10 amps as a pulse when starting, this drops to around 1.0 amp when running. If you fuse the ignition unit then a 15 amp is required, if you use a smaller it will weaken after some time of running.

    Regards Tech Dept.


    Perfect, I had done my current figuring based on the running draw, not startup. A 5A fuse blowing is totally normal. I'll try the 15A when I get the first chance. Hopefully that will be the simple fix on ignition, which will reduce the known problems to just the rectifier.
     
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  3. DanielBlack

    DanielBlack XS650 Junkie

    And Pete, the little bit of penetrating oil fixed my steering lock. No fiddling required. I'll add a little silicone lubricant for longevity.

    Thanks!
     
  4. Mailman

    Mailman Hardly a Guru Top Contributor

    Smart on your part there Daniel , going right to Boyer for an answer.
     
  5. MaxPete

    MaxPete Lucille, Betty & Demi - I suggest but THEY decide. XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    God stuff all around DB - someday these old gals will rumble like they were new!

    Pete
     
  6. Paul Sutton

    Paul Sutton Sprained Ankle Top Contributor

    Thanks for that bit from Boyer about the 10 Amps at startup. This explains why the voltage across the battery is so unstable when the ignition key is switched to ON. Combined with the twin tail light this means the system pulls about 14 Amps!!!! I was starting to think my new battery was dying.
     
  7. DanielBlack

    DanielBlack XS650 Junkie

    Paul, I'm happy to report what seems to be a perfectly happy Boyer Micro Power protected by a 15A fuse. Boyer Bransden suggested I shouldn't worry about the low primary resistance on the coil. As long as she runs, it's probably just the usual difficulty of reading very low resistance as RG explains. And runs she does.

    Also, my replacement rectifier came in a few days earlier than expected! Bench testing showed all good diodes and it'll get installed in the morning.

    Edited for accuracy in vocabulary.
     
    Last edited: Mar 23, 2017
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  8. Mailman

    Mailman Hardly a Guru Top Contributor

    Nice Daniel! Things are rolling along! Glad to hear your Boyer system is doing ok.
     
  9. retiredgentleman

    retiredgentleman XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    When talking about an ignition coil primary winding, its measured by its DC resistance only. Its wrong to use the word impedance. Impedance is the term used to measure the combination of inductance, capacitance and resistance in an AC circuit, and frequency is one of the variables. Certainly an ignition coil does have impedance, but its just not measured or used to rate an ignition coil, except possibly by design engineers.
     
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  10. MaxPete

    MaxPete Lucille, Betty & Demi - I suggest but THEY decide. XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Good news for you and Stella Daniel - have fun!
     
  11. DanielBlack

    DanielBlack XS650 Junkie

    Huh. I've always heard resistance and impedance as synonyms. In truth, they are closely related, but unique. And reactance is a new word for me. Thank you.
     
  12. DanielBlack

    DanielBlack XS650 Junkie

    Pete, Mailman, thanks.

    Hey Mailman, we just might have two runners for the April 9 show and swap!
     
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  13. Mailman

    Mailman Hardly a Guru Top Contributor

    Man I'm hoping. I've been flailing away like a madman every chance I get.
     
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  14. MaxPete

    MaxPete Lucille, Betty & Demi - I suggest but THEY decide. XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Wish I could be there to see that!

    Hey DB - don't forget your promise to do an article on your electrical mods to Stella (incl. parts list & schematic). ;)

    Pete
     
  15. retiredgentleman

    retiredgentleman XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    When I was 17 I joined the Canadian Air Force, and went to trade school for a year. I qualified as a radio technician. As part of my training, we studied radio circuits which are made up of lots coils and capacitors. To know how radios work and how they can be tuned and repaired, you must have a very good knowledge of inductance, capacitance and impedance. If you work only with DC circuits, then ohms law and resistance is all you really need to know. However once you start dealing with AC circuits, such as in radios and most electronics, its a whole different ball game. Resistance can be considered alone in a DC circuit, but as soon as you start working with AC circuits, resistance is just part of impedance.
    Z = √(R2 + X2)
    Z= impedance in ohms
    R=resistance in ohms
    X= reactance in ohms
    Yes, if you have never studied electronics, then words like reactance will be foreign sounding for sure.
     
  16. You electrical guys are fantastic to follow ! Really appreciated as my "luck" surely can only go so far ... I'll be reading when my next XS is sparking ! April 9 show eh ?. . "if wishes were fishes , we'd all be swimming in riches".. -RT & rtgman , "reluctance" is my kind of word :thumbsup:
     
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  17. DanielBlack

    DanielBlack XS650 Junkie

    This morning I started up the bike with the new rectifier plugged in. Not fully installed, just plugged in. I let her idle for fifteen minutes and all seemed well. The rectifier slowly warmed up as expected, but all seemed fine. At cold idle she had 12.5v. A few minutes in, 13v@~1200rpm. 14.2v@2000rpm and no higher up to 3000rpm.

    I'm going to attribute the death of the first rectifier to inadequate heat sinking. It had been mounted to a 1/16"x~6"x~6" sheet of aluminum which clearly isn't enough to do the job.
     
  18. Mailman

    Mailman Hardly a Guru Top Contributor

    Is this a rectifier like your last one? The kind you have to cement to a metal plate?
     
  19. DanielBlack

    DanielBlack XS650 Junkie

    Yes, it is the same type as the last one. I have an idea for an improved heat sink which I'll implement tomorrow morning. Stay tuned...
     
  20. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    Last edited: Jul 19, 2017

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