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To Split, or Not To Split (was broken sump bolt)

Discussion in 'The Garage' started by jetmechmarty, Mar 16, 2020.

  1. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    Short of it is, I need to have a bolt extracted from my bottom case. The engine will be out before I go to bed tonight. I’m sure a machinist can deal with it like that.
    I’m off this week. My vacation plans got canceled due to COVID-19. None of this was well thought out or planned.
    My options:
    Put the engine in the trunk and take it to the machinist. Fix bolt hole then put the engine back in the bike. (58k miles, 5th gear has a broken dog)
    Or...
    Split the case. I’ve had a replacement transmission on the shelf for 18 years. It seems a good idea to get that done now. Mr Stupid failed to remove the clutch and charging rotor. (I guess I can put the chain on easily enough and get them off now). What seals will I require? Partzilla the best option?
    Or....
    I bought a 1981 engine from Don Lawson in 2003. It turns over. Beyond that, I know nothing. Just go ahead and swap it. If it’s crap, I can ride XS Eleven to Arkansas rally.

    This isn’t a good time for me to overhaul the entire engine. I have other priorities. I’ll be deep into my regular busy routine before any parts show up. So, it’s bottom case or nothing.
     
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  2. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    Maybe once you have the engine out and can get at it better, maybe you can get that broken part out yourself? I don't think the sump bolts bottom out in their holes so I'm thinking that broken portion should be pretty loose in there. I know there are many easy-out horror stories around but I think one would work fine in this case.
     
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  3. xjwmx

    xjwmx XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    i'd use the left-handed drill bit in preparation for the easy out, and if the bit didn't spin it out itself, then I'd be wary of putting the easy out in...

    also, be careful not to break the drill bit itself off in there from pushing too hard or having it bind somehow

    if the machinist is reasonably close i'd take it to him unless the bolt practically falls out on its own :)
     
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  4. xjwmx

    xjwmx XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    i've had the best luck with mike's seals. a lot of seals out there look like they oughta work but don't for some reason. the seals involved would be the crank, countershaft especially. if i didn't have seals, i wouldn't feel bad about trying to reuse the old ones. because -- they can all be replaced with the engine in the bike if they don't work. i'd put a good layer of your favorite -bond around the outside of the seals. if you have to replace them from outside one of those $5 eagle beak shaped pullers makes it quick and easy. pvc sink drain pipe makes a perfect drift for the crank seal
     
  5. 5twins

    5twins XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    Do some price comparing. Last time I did, buying from Yamaha was cheaper .....

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  6. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    Will the engine come out with the starter in place?

    Left hand drill bit failed. Also, I didn't get it straight enough, working under bike. EZ out got a little bite, but no joy. Piece of bolt sticking up. Punch and chisel no joy. I'll give it to a pro before I destroy the case.
     
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  7. xjwmx

    xjwmx XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    i forgot about oem. i have mainly used mike's though. it's very easy to spend $50 at mike's on a one oz bag of very few parts... plus if a dealer orders the parts and you pick them up there, you don't pay shipping
     
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  8. xjwmx

    xjwmx XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    yes. i know that because it takes a fancy wrench i don't have to get the starter off w/ the engine in the frame
     
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  9. Jim

    Jim Beyond the edge, is the unknown. Here be Dragons XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Keep an eye out on Ebay. Picked up these ARS seals a few weeks ago for 20 bucks.

    IMG_20200316_141724.jpg
     
  10. kshansen

    kshansen XS650 Junkie Top Contributor

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  11. gggGary

    gggGary Stop that! XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Just mail me the motor, I can get that bolt out for you. :geek: :smoke: :laughing:
    I'll vote for trying Don's motor if you can still kick it over. Lets you do the original at your leisure without rushing get it right maybe a bit of performance tweaking. Do a compression test before installing Don's?
     
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  12. xjwmx

    xjwmx XS650 Guru Top Contributor

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    ^That's the best idea since or if there's nothing to indicate the new motor has some problem itself

    regarding cheap _unbranded_ seals on ebay...ask me how i know all the seals can be replaced from the outside with the motor in the frame :)
     
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  13. Jim

    Jim Beyond the edge, is the unknown. Here be Dragons XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

  14. gggGary

    gggGary Stop that! XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Seal is stamped SFK, what could go wrong?
    :wink2:
     
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  15. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    It went over my head. What is SFK?
     
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  16. Downeaster

    Downeaster Everything in XS Top Contributor

    Indicates (at least to me) that it's a counterfeit. S K F makes (or did the last I knew) makes quality products. SFK not so much.
     
  17. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    Thanks for bringing me up to speed.
     
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  18. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    Does the engine come out the left side?

    I believe I’m going to put the bike on its side.
     
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  19. jetmechmarty

    jetmechmarty XS650 Guru Top Contributor

    I hope I didn’t forget anything. Just oil cooler.
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  20. gggGary

    gggGary Stop that! XS650.com Supporter Top Contributor

    Goes out the right, the clutch cover can stay on. (he says now)
     
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