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seeing as im getting old and decrepid decided to go down the sidecar path and this is what iv come home with ,its a djp of fk knows yrs , f/ glass body that needs a little bit of work to the floor (stuff all) ..now iv never had anything to do with s/cars so any advice would be great ,been looking at the clavits for attaching the mounts to the bike frame .. here in qld if weld lugs onto frame they have to be engineered/inspected ($$$) , the boat will have to be cleaned up and repainted , the seat will be coming out due to wanting to keep my cheap solo rego, had to chose between a 1986 bmw k100 needs a bit of work but got the parts but a sub chassie would have to be bought ($$) my tdm850 ,on the rd but the mounts would be very complicated and $$$ , and horror of horrors my xs650 … I like riding and leaning it BUT it would be the cheapest and most easily converted , its up graded to 750 , has a 8 plate clutch and also a heidens hyd clutch +plus have a xs1100 f/end that was on a xs650 (so a easy change over) , any for once managed to get some photos (not in my shed but sellers before loading)
 
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ahhhhh… spoke to soon .. for some reason photos arnt loading … ahhhh .. fking computors .. getting to the point of transferring photos and nothing happening .. is it something to do with this new media center
 
Hey Flea...........Cold up your way?? bloody shit down here...........Rain and more rain........

On the pics......the easiest way........

Have your pics in a folder........open folder.......Hit the reduce page size in top right hand corner, square box by the X........

Open the web page and do the same reduce size of the page.........Now have the folder and web page open side by side..........

Run the mouse curser over the pic you want to upload and it will turn blue...........Left click on mouse and hold..........Now drag the pic into the reply post box, (it will go grey and say "drop files here to upload"), and let go of the mouse.........

Pic will load and the site will automatically resize it if it is to large..........

Below the orange boxes, (post reply, upload an image or file, more options), the pics will show...........now it is just a matter to click on either thumbnail or full image............
Thumbnail
picture.php4.jpg
Full image
Text IMG_8242.jpg

Then post reply.......

This is the easiest way
 
thanks skull ,its either me , my computer or windows 10 has struck again , but tried emailing photos etc ,no good ,will try your method but not for a couple of hours .. time to walk away before taking a hammer to it ...on another subject .. yep its wet cold and misrible ,hope its not going to be one of those winters .. definitely not good riding weather (got down to 4 degs in the house the other morning) .. worst part is its that niusence rain just enough to put you off going outside to do something but not enough to be usefull
 
seeing as im getting old and decrepid decided to go down the sidecar path and this is what iv come home with ,its a djp of fk knows yrs , f/ glass body that needs a little bit of work to the floor (stuff all) ..now iv never had anything to do with s/cars so any advice would be great ,been looking at the clavits for attaching the mounts to the bike frame .. here in qld if weld lugs onto frame they have to be engineered/inspected ($$$) , the boat will have to be cleaned up and repainted , the seat will be coming out due to wanting to keep my cheap solo rego, had to chose between a 1986 bmw k100 needs a bit of work but got the parts but a sub chassie would have to be bought ($$) my tdm850 ,on the rd but the mounts would be very complicated and $$$ , and horror of horrors my xs650 … I like riding and leaning it BUT it would be the cheapest and most easily converted , its up graded to 750 , has a 7 plate clutch and also a heidens hyd clutch +plus have a xs1100 f/end that was on a xs650 (so a easy change over) , any for once managed to get some photos (not in my shed but sellers before loading)

Hi FLEA,
no worries, I've built 4 of the bastards for XS650s and one for an XS11.
Here's the final evolution of my XS650 sidecar subframe design:-
Back part of Subframe:- make from 1-1/4" x 11ga square tube.
2 stubs bolt into frame's centre-stand mounts, (use M10s or the stock centre-stand pivot bolts)
& are welded to a crosspiece that Tees onto a fore and aft rail that'll run just under the bike's exhaust.
Rail runs far enough back to reach the rear lower sidecar attachment and runs forwards to below the front engine mount.
Front part of subframe:- make from 5/32" x 2" flat bar and 1" sch 40 pipe.
Flat bars bolt outside front engine frame bolts.
The frame bolts will need to be longer so use the lower bolt in the upper position and make a longer
lower bolt from threaded rod. Flats go downwards and are hole-sawed 1-1/4" diameter through to fit the pipe.
(1" pipe OD is 1.305" but hole saws cut big)
Pipe sticks out to meet the rear subframe's fore & aft sq tube. Hot-bend a sq U-shape from flat bar & weld to the 1-1/4" pipe's end.
Drill thru U & sq tube to join them with an M12 fastener.
Drill through the fore and aft subframe to suit the lower sidecar attachments. (I used M16 Heim joints)
As this sub-frame is a bolt-on you don't need no steenkin' inspectors, right?
I also made my own frame clamps for the upper mounts but it's a load of work, I'd say buy 'em from Velorex.
Good luck with the biuld
 
DSCF1091.JPG DSCF1089.JPG DSCF1085.JPG thanks for everyones help , finally got these photos figured out .. had to make image smaller .. use to work fine until a update awhile back .. every time windows 10 updates my computer has a neverse breakdown and goes strange , anyway here is the new toy
 
anyway still early days yet but thinking at the moment of taking the body/boat off and replacing it with a platform which will have a couple of tool boxes bolted to it , that way if 2 light can add weights in the boxes , mean while can take the time restoring the boat .. the DJP sidecar are a heavy chair ,maybe a bit 2 heavy for the xs650 handling wise (im in the mts with shit rds) .. these a mob in melb that specialises in sidecars that also makes up leading links , most probably / definitely out of my price range but never hurts to ask though … are the leading links worth while on a light bike and s/car ??? my douglas 350 has a mini leading link (why???)
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might as well dump all my sidecar links on ya then.........:bike:

Can't download and a bit of a pain but a worth worth while read..........A Melbournite
https://sidecar.com/sidecar/sidecars!/hal-kendall-operators-manual/
PDF file of the manual is below...........didn't realize i had it till looking through Sidecar stuff

https://advrider.com/f/threads/run-what-you-brung-hack-build.980501/

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4073503

A link in a thread to parts for........US.
http://www.dmcsidecars.com/sidecar_mounts/other-mounts-parts/

Some pics of mounts that aren't welded to the frame
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Flea, I like the look of that sidecar, it’s got a nice shape to it, I’ve seen some that look a little clunky, but yours has nice smooth lines.

Tell me a little about your Douglas, that’s a very nice looking bike. Does it run? What year is it?
 
Flea, I like the look of that sidecar, it’s got a nice shape to it, I’ve seen some that look a little clunky, but yours has nice smooth lines.

Tell me a little about your Douglas, that’s a very nice looking bike. Does it run? What year is it?
thanks , yes definitely got clean lines but worried maybe a bit heavy for the xs , as for the douglas T35 (350cc) its a 1946 model in a 1947 frame ,the 46 frames were prone to bad frame cracking ,pity the front end doesn't show up very well in photo , has a mini leading link front end … why??? its so small cant see it having much effect , they were used for every thing from rd racing to trials , later models were the fastest production 350 in their time ,im 3/4 of the way to building a 2nd one in parts (still looking) during ww2 the douglas motor was used in a generator of which iv I/2 of one (frame, motor,magnito and some switchs) which is handy as motor is egsact same one as in the bike … fairly rare bike in aust .. its a goer but when running properly its going to be my going to the pub bike .. a real bar hopper :cheers:
 
might as well dump all my sidecar links on ya then.........:bike:

Can't download and a bit of a pain but a worth worth while read..........A Melbournite
https://sidecar.com/sidecar/sidecars!/hal-kendall-operators-manual/
PDF file of the manual is below...........didn't realize i had it till looking through Sidecar stuff

https://advrider.com/f/threads/run-what-you-brung-hack-build.980501/

https://patents.google.com/patent/US4073503

A link in a thread to parts for........US.
http://www.dmcsidecars.com/sidecar_mounts/other-mounts-parts/

Some pics of mounts that aren't welded to the frame
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ahhh skull , your going to keep me busy reading for a long time .. good thing weve got shitty weather .. thanks
 
One idea, I'm surprised Fred has not been on this thread yet, there are some different models of Yamaha's that have the axle forward of the center line of the front forks. I believe there are ones that are the same diameter as the fork tubes on an XS650 so it is a pretty simple job to swap them out.

The advantage of that is it reduces the trail and lightens the steering.

650Skull, do you have any ideas of the bikes that might be available as donors?

Leading link front end as shown in the sketch is another way to go if you have access to fabricating tools. I know it sure helped my Sportster when I built my front end!
 
One idea, I'm surprised Fred has not been on this thread yet, there are some different models of Yamaha's that have the axle forward of the center line of the front forks. I believe there are ones that are the same diameter as the fork tubes on an XS650 so it is a pretty simple job to swap them out.

The advantage of that is it reduces the trail and lightens the steering.

650Skull, do you have any ideas of the bikes that might be available as donors?

Leading link front end as shown in the sketch is another way to go if you have access to fabricating tools. I know it sure helped my Sportster when I built my front end!
will look into other models but a oz s/car site im on ,(as a chair newbe not scared to ask the silly questions) suggests forgetting about the leading link until have every thing up and running , they say as long as outfit is under 85 kgs the l/link wont be needed
 
XS750-850 specials complete front end?

I believe those might be the ones I was thinking about, also what about the Viragos? Didn't they have the axle forward?

Keep in mind you want to swap in the forks but leave the stock triple trees to get offset to reduce the trail and lighten steering.

I would also agree that getting the outfit dialed in first would be a good place to start. I do know that the XS650 sidecar outfit I had was rideable with the stock forks but was very heavy steering compared to the Sportster with the leading links front end.
 
One idea, I'm surprised Fred has not been on this thread yet, there are some different models of Yamaha's that have the axle forward of the center line of the front forks. I believe there are ones that are the same diameter as the fork tubes on an XS650 so it is a pretty simple job to swap them out.
The advantage of that is it reduces the trail and lightens the steering.
650Skull, do you have any ideas of the bikes that might be available as donors?
Leading link front end as shown in the sketch is another way to go if you have access to fabricating tools. I know it sure helped my Sportster when I built my front end!

Hi Ken,
see me at post #5, eh?
XS series fork tube diameters:- XS650, 34 then 35mm. XS 750/850/1100 are 36 & 37mm.
XS 760/850/1100 Specials have forward mount axles. The Standards axles are underneath like an XS650s
Reduce trail (move axle forwards) by fitting Special fork legs into Standard 'trees.
Alas, this locks you into running the Special's Weird Harold swivelling tapered pad brake calipers.
One wonders how many newbies had a WTF? moment on seeing those tapered pads
on his first Special, ordered new ones and found they were meant to be like that?
 
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Hi Ken,
see me at post #5, eh?
Well sure enough, not sure how I missed that one!

Wonder if there is enough "meat" in the triple trees of an XS650 with 35 millimeter tube to take a 36 millimeter set of tubes from a XV920 Virago?
https://www.ebay.com/p/82-Yamaha-Xv...es-Shocks-Springs/1823054376?iid=382425510626

And if one wants to play around here is a chart that lists motorcycles by fork tube sizes, would need to ses what might have the offset axle design:
https://www.kiwavmotors.com/en/faq/about-fitment/23-motorcycle-fork-tube-size-chart
 
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