Electric Vehicles, Hybrids...Battery tech... Land Air and Sea. Let's See 'em.

Is the internal combustion engine doomed to history

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 25.6%
  • No

    Votes: 21 53.8%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 5 12.8%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • ...er... what was the question again?

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Total voters
    39
Never underestimate the ability of a group of business people to enact laws creating barriers for others wishing to compete in their field.
...and a sympathetic ear among the pols who'll gladly take their bribes campaign contributions to do their bidding and pass their laws.
 
It's very hard to dig out the truth in any media outlet. The article would make one believe Mississippi and Oklahoma are against EVs. It's not really the case. It seems it has nothing to do with EVs per se.
https://www.repairerdrivennews.com/...pi-against-direct-sales-model-such-as-teslas/
Best I could do in a hurry.
Like I said....
"Bill sponsor Rep. Mike Dobrinski (R-District 59)“The metro and rural dealers are united in this effort and it will help ensure DENY competition of both sales and service for many years to come,” he said."
 
...and a sympathetic ear among the pols who'll gladly take their bribes campaign contributions to do their bidding and pass their laws.
That's always the case, isn't it. A government supposed to work for us, doesn't. Unfortunately, I don't have time to keep digging, but would likely come up with a similar conclusion. My takeaway was that this concerned Tesla and direct sales rather than a Ford or Nissan EV purchased at a Jackson dealer.
 
Most states have "franchise laws" that regulate the sale of new and used "Motor Vehicles" (regardless of propulsion as defined). While those laws have evolved to have some anti-competitive (anti-consumer) aspects, the original intent (and need) was to protect independant, local businesses from OEM's predatory and abusive practices. I suspect that Tesla has been in violation of most state's laws (as written), but the dealers haven't challenged them, to-date, because EV sales haven't been worth the battle.

Note: not defending dealers as their own business practices have long evolved into both predatory and abusive, as well as deceptive.
 
Most states have "franchise laws" that regulate the sale of new and used "Motor Vehicles" (regardless of propulsion as defined). While those laws have evolved to have some anti-competitive (anti-consumer) aspects, the original intent (and need) was to protect independant, local businesses from OEM's predatory and abusive practices. I suspect that Tesla has been in violation of most state's laws (as written), but the dealers haven't challenged them, to-date, because EV sales haven't been worth the battle.

Note: not defending dealers as their own business practices have long evolved into both predatory and abusive, as well as deceptive.
Yes, after browsing a few items on the subject, that's what I thought it was about. Some of them are intentionally very misleading, IMHO.
 
Today I had an Amazon delivery from one of their new electric delivery vans made by Rivian. Coming from an old mailman, they are just incredibly well designed and user friendly. When the driver begins his day he scans a barcode on his computer display and a map of his days delivery populates the screen. The vans are equipped with all the safety features of modern cars, collision avoidance, automatic emergency braking, blind spot monitoring and so on. They have cameras that give a 360 degree view of the exterior of the van ( that’s a huge safety feature for the drivers ) . When they pull up to their destination the cargo door opens automatically and there is room to stand up and shelves on the walls to sort the parcels. Postal vans just have a flat floor and a back end that you had to bend over in. ( New generation postal vehicles will be better )
Anyways, this is the first time Ive seen one in my neighborhood. Anybody else? 🤔

https://www.motortrend.com/news/checking-in-on-the-rivian-amazon-edv-electric-van

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Haven't yet. There's a fulfillment center not far from here, so I suspect they're around me.
 
Green Bay Ford dealer has HAD a couple E-transit vans in stock.
100 miles range, less in winter. Would be a TOTALLY unacceptable bike scrounging range...............

 
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Not saying that Hydrogen is the answer. We may see a blend of electric for short run vehicles and hydrogen for longer distance vehicles. Plus good old gasoline for us old farts that have old toys that we like to play with.
 
Anyways, this is the first time Ive seen one in my neighborhood. Anybody else? 🤔
First one just showed up here. I asked the guy what he thought. He said... "You know, I really wanted to hate this thing... but I love it."
He's an old gear head like us. Has a Harley... dabbled in Triumphs and Royal Enfield's in his younger days. Said he now wants an electric bike. :laugh2:


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Grid Status:
Will the grid become a choke point as EVs look to take over?
Multiple brands like Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz, and Volvo plan to be EV-only in roughly the next decade. Ford recently jumped into a war with Tesla and slashed prices for its new Mustang Mach-E. And last week, amid the White House’s aggressive push for greener transportation, the US Department of the Treasury rewrote the rules for EV tax breaks, allowing even more vehicles to be eligible for government subsidies.
Car makers and DC could have bitten off more than the country’s energy sector can chew:
EVs currently make up about 7% of cars on the road in the US, but that could increase to a third or even half of all light vehicles sold annually, according to the WSJ. The good news is that right now, EVs really don’t consume all that much energy. A study by the Argonne National Laboratory, found that the roughly 2.1 million EVs on the road in 2021 accounted for less than a percent of electricity consumption.
While many energy experts believe the US’s power grid will be up to the task, it will require a lot of money. Charging a vehicle at home is not like turning on a light or plugging in a phone. You need a huge boost in electrical-transmitting capacity at the local level. Power industries nationwide might need to spend $10 billion through 2030 updating their infrastructure to charge all the new EVs, Thomas Baker of Boston Consulting Group told the WSJ.
Some parts of the country are already hitting speed bumps. Last September, California asked residents to not charge their cars in the evening during a heat wave. That might be the plan for the foreseeable future in some areas — charging at only certain hours of the day.
 
Kyped from elsewhere
Grid Status:
Will the grid become a choke point as EVs look to take over?
Multiple brands like Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz, and Volvo plan to be EV-only in roughly the next decade. Ford recently jumped into a war with Tesla and slashed prices for its new Mustang Mach-E. And last week, amid the White House’s aggressive push for greener transportation, the US Department of the Treasury rewrote the rules for EV tax breaks, allowing even more vehicles to be eligible for government subsidies.
Car makers and DC could have bitten off more than the country’s energy sector can chew:
EVs currently make up about 7% of cars on the road in the US, but that could increase to a third or even half of all light vehicles sold annually, according to the WSJ. The good news is that right now, EVs really don’t consume all that much energy. A study by the Argonne National Laboratory, found that the roughly 2.1 million EVs on the road in 2021 accounted for less than a percent of electricity consumption.
While many energy experts believe the US’s power grid will be up to the task, it will require a lot of money. Charging a vehicle at home is not like turning on a light or plugging in a phone. You need a huge boost in electrical-transmitting capacity at the local level. Power industries nationwide might need to spend $10 billion through 2030 updating their infrastructure to charge all the new EVs, Thomas Baker of Boston Consulting Group told the WSJ.
Some parts of the country are already hitting speed bumps. Last September, California asked residents to not charge their cars in the evening during a heat wave. That might be the plan for the foreseeable future in some areas — charging at only certain hours of the day.

I have had the same concern. Last summer, during peak load days, I remember Texas asking electric vehicle owners not to charge their vehicles. I think California had a couple of those days also. If you look at the primary sources of electrical generation in the US, you see that over 40% is generated by coal and nuclear power. Coal is dirty and the EPA has been regulating them out of existence and the nuclear power plants are aging out, with only one nuclear generating station built since 1996. The largest nuclear plant ( Palo Verde, here in Arizona ) is 35 years old and supply’s 79% of all electricity generated in Arizona. 40 years is the expected life of a nuclear power plant.

“The average age of U.S. commercial nuclear power reactors that were operational as of December 31, 2021, was about 40 years. The oldest operating reactor is Nine Mile Point 1 in New York, which entered commercial service in December 1969. The newest reactor to enter service is Tennessee’s Watts Bar Unit 2, which began operation in June 2016. The next-youngest operating reactor is Watts Bar Unit 1, also in Tennessee, which entered service in May 1996.”

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Dams (6%) are being removed left and right or lack flowing water also.
Nearly twice as much natural gas, as coal.
 
Kyped from elsewhere
Grid Status:
Will the grid become a choke point as EVs look to take over?
Multiple brands like Cadillac, Mercedes-Benz, and Volvo plan to be EV-only in roughly the next decade. Ford recently jumped into a war with Tesla and slashed prices for its new Mustang Mach-E. And last week, amid the White House’s aggressive push for greener transportation, the US Department of the Treasury rewrote the rules for EV tax breaks, allowing even more vehicles to be eligible for government subsidies.
Car makers and DC could have bitten off more than the country’s energy sector can chew:
EVs currently make up about 7% of cars on the road in the US, but that could increase to a third or even half of all light vehicles sold annually, according to the WSJ. The good news is that right now, EVs really don’t consume all that much energy. A study by the Argonne National Laboratory, found that the roughly 2.1 million EVs on the road in 2021 accounted for less than a percent of electricity consumption.
While many energy experts believe the US’s power grid will be up to the task, it will require a lot of money. Charging a vehicle at home is not like turning on a light or plugging in a phone. You need a huge boost in electrical-transmitting capacity at the local level. Power industries nationwide might need to spend $10 billion through 2030 updating their infrastructure to charge all the new EVs, Thomas Baker of Boston Consulting Group told the WSJ.
Some parts of the country are already hitting speed bumps. Last September, California asked residents to not charge their cars in the evening during a heat wave. That might be the plan for the foreseeable future in some areas — charging at only certain hours of the day.

We've been hearing for 20+ yrs now that our energy infrastructure is in dire need of an upgrade. 'Bout all that ever come of it was lip service and nice stock dividends for shareholders so's that CEO pay could reach the stratosphere. Like Pogo sez... we is our own worst enemy.
 
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