Has anyone used Cognito moto

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Has anyone purchased anything from Cognito moto? I was pricing out a set of carbs last night on 650central when they popped up in my search as well. Just curious because they have a bit of inventor as well and some prices are a bit better.
 
A few things re. Cognito carb kits. First: WTF is a no-name "washable red element" air filter made in USA? To my knowledge we don't do no-name knockoffs here. Second: Why claim to supply both left and right side carbies and show two left side units? Third: where do those carb mounts come from? And finally: if you need tech support, you're not likely to get it from a cut-rate internet vendor. Guys, if you don't support small specialty shops where the owner knows what he's talking about and will talk to you, you're going to lose them.
 
I didn't say local, C'dog. 650 Central and Hoos Racing are the vendors I had in mind. Michael and Gary will both tell you exactly what you're getting, stand behind their goods, and talk to you knowledgeably.
 
If you want to minimize vibration, equalize weights of pistons and rods and have the crank trued and welded; this is very different from a crank balance job, which IMO would be needless expense on a street bike. If separating the crank to balance the rods involves more money than you want to spend, the biggest bang for the buck will come from truing the crank, which can be done without separating it.
 
I bought the billet top triple clamp from Cognito, nice piece and fast shipping. I did machine a recess for the steering stem nuts to fit up inside which lowers the stack height and gives a cleaner look. I also bored the holes for the risers to avoid the added cost of having them do it.
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Seems to me Cognito qualifies as one of those small specialty shops, right? Also from experience Devin answered the phone when I called about an issue with the steering neck I ordered, offered knowledgeable advice on another part to work with my hybrid project - and took care of my return with expedience and politeness!

Griz - got a personal relationship there or just trying to act as though Cognito Moto is something they aren't?

(Yes, I've also bought from 650central and had a good experience.)
 
John B, with all due respect, there's a difference between guys who specialize in the XS650 motor and have creds as tuners and guys who specialize in selling chopper bling. I'm not claiming that Cognito is a bad vendor, only that I don't know the quality of their carb sets or their ability to provide tech support and that many can vouch for 650 Central and Hoos Racing on both counts. If you're implying that I'm some sort of shill or profit in any way from endorsing those shops, you're very much in error.
 
But you are all too willing to infer that there is something wrong with Cognito and suggest that they are a cut rate vendor, rather that just suggest the highlights of others. Bad form.

What's more laughable is your taking exception to possibly offshore sourced components.... FOR A YAMAHA!!!
 
Had a look through Cognito, and they look to have a good variety of lots of different parts and look to be well made. Aftermarket rear hub disk brake conversions, rear hubs and the workmanship looks good on the Crowns and such...........

Look to see how long he has been in business............couldn't find that info except for 2017 on his web site and 1 year old testimonials..........the only carb set ups i found are for Honda's.............and jetted for Honda's...............can he jet for XS650's, i guess that is where you have to take their word but why would anyone do that when there are vendors who do know and have the reputation for working and racing with XS650's........

Not knocking Cognito and i wish them well...............What i have seen in the last 12 years on the XS650 sites is a lot of professional looking start ups that have gone by the way side, (and taken a lot of hard earned money and dissapeard )........I think Hugh would be about the only continuing success story based around the XS650...........his hand made products are a success but he has also found that being a middle man on products, (who stakes his reputation on such products), has seen it take a small hit due to the quality of the product where has has had no control of.

Be careful John-B and read the context of the posts and don't just take what could be interpreted as a negative where there is non intended. I didn't read Griz as negative, only as a cautionary as similar to the reasons in my 2nd and 3rd paragraph.
 
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.......I think Hugh would be about the only continuing success story based around the XS650...........his hand made products are a success but he has also found that being a middle man on products, (who stakes his reputation on such products), has seen it take a small hit due to the quality of the product where has has had no control of.

Are you sure this is the case? I believe he's still in business, but I don't know how successful it is or isn't. Griz, is right. If we don't support the quality vendors who support our hobby, we may not have them for long. Since I'm not familiar with Cognito Moto, I reserve comment on them.
 
John B, I've tried to respond politely to you. Now process this. I didn't imply anything. I stated up front exactly what was wrong with the representations made by Cognito for their carb kits--two left hand carbs shown where left and right are claimed, and no-name filters hawked. Either the photo showing two left hand carbs is wrong or the offer is misleading, and Brand X seldom means quality.
 
You're both daft...griz and especially 650skull!

Griz, lets first review your post and finish this, then agree to let the OP have a fair review of who does what and offers what without your unwarranted slant:

A few things re. Cognito carb kits. First: WTF is a no-name "washable red element" air filter made in USA? To my knowledge we don't do no-name knockoffs here. Second: Why claim to supply both left and right side carbies and show two left side units? Third: where do those carb mounts come from? And finally: if you need tech support, you're not likely to get it from a cut-rate internet vendor. Guys, if you don't support small specialty shops where the owner knows what he's talking about and will talk to you, you're going to lose them.

First - Do you in fact have personal knowledge of where those filter elements are made? I'll bet you don't. Do you have any personal knowledge of the quality or durability of said product? I'll bet your making conjecture, and trying to make one vendor look tarnished in contrast to another to follow your preferences. In fact however there are quite a lot of manufacturers in the US making unbranded and multi-branded products today, to do just what they should - compete with off shore products. Not that it matters though, since the YAMAHA is a foreign product in origin. I have specific knowledge in that the business I work at does JUST EXACTLY THAT VERY THING - WE MAKE THE SAME PRODUCTS BOTH BRANDED AND NOT, PACKAGED IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS!!!

Next - A simple web page content glitch does not make a vendor inferior. If that were so, there are a couple of other XS650 specific vendors that would have gone out of business a long time ago. (Notice how I did that, referred to others failings without naming them specifically thereby avoiding possibly being an ass who is wrong! But still making my point!).

Third then - What relevance does the source of a carb mount have to do with anything...again YAMAHA is a foreign brand. Any allegations that off shore source products don't belong are in themselves patently ridiculous!

Onward again - You have no personal knowledge of Cognito, yet in your response to the OP's inquiry about that company specifically you allude to cut-rate vendors, after having referred to other specialty shops as a contrast. That is for certain implying that the original subject business is the description offered up, which was as a "cut-rate internet vendor".

I can tell that you're not a master of the vernacular, but you really need to think before you hit the keyboard!​

650skull, now let's move on to your intelligent response:

You start out by stating that I had better be careful. Or what? You too have no personal knowledge, yet you feel it pertinent to chime in as though your uninformed position offers relevant context. But you did look at a web page for 2 minutes though right! Wow.

You really ought to re-read the dialog as an independent mind and understand the references made. Offering a cautionary statement and slandering a business are two different things! Especially when there is no personal knowledge of the accused to offer as background or reference. You didn't read griz's dialog as negative, however the reference to "cut-rate internet vendor" while discussing Cognito Moto specifically is exactly that.

I'll offer you the closing advice that I did griz!
Gentlemen, lets pull back and realize that statements made on the internet can make or break the horizon of a business - and businesses are PEOPLE. When that is done without any specific knowledge but only conjecture you can intimately damage people that are not worthy of such harm! When you open your mouth (re: keyboard) that is out there effectively permanently. When you do mouth off casually in a way that becomes permanently damaging to others, that is bad. Especially when you don't have any specific knowledge upon which to base those allegations!

If you want to warn someone, do so innocuously. When you want to suggest that there is a better way, simply highlight the benefits of others without disparaging those whom you do not prefer. Be good stewards of your community, good people of your word. This forum and so many others are becoming toxic due to the thoughtless comments of people without specific personal experience. Take your wisdom, add a bit of exaggeration and we have a situation that others can AND DO interpret as real first person experience.

You both can respond "politely" or not, really doesn't matter. You're both missing the point! Restrain your language to that which you know, not that which your smart *ss thinks you need to mouth off about! That is more valued by those asking for input.

Over and out,

John Blankenship

P.S. griz and 650 skull, if any of the words used in my response are too big for you, just google them.
 
Had a look through Cognito, and they look to have a good variety of lots of different parts and look to be well made. Aftermarket rear hub disk brake conversions, rear hubs and the workmanship looks good on the Crowns and such...........

Look to see how long he has been in business............couldn't find that info except for 2017 on his web site and 1 year old testimonials..........the only carb set ups i found are for Honda's.............and jetted for Honda's...............can he jet for XS650's, i guess that is where you have to take their word but why would anyone do that when there are vendors who do know and have the reputation for working and racing with XS650's........

Not knocking Cognito and i wish them well...............What i have seen in the last 12 years on the XS650 sites is a lot of professional looking start ups that have gone by the way side, (and taken a lot of hard earned money and dissapeard )........I think Hugh would be about the only continuing success story based around the XS650...........his hand made products are a success but he has also found that being a middle man on products, (who stakes his reputation on such products), has seen it take a small hit due to the quality of the product where has has had no control of.

Be careful John-B and read the context of the posts and don't just take what could be interpreted as a negative where there is non intended. I didn't read Griz as negative, only as a cautionary as similar to the reasons in my 2nd and 3rd paragraph.
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John_B, when your company manufactures a product is there a variance depending on the customer? Does your company outsource a product it produces?
Saying your company can only produce 10 widgets, but you have orders for 20. Does your company buy the other 10 from another company?
I also worked for a manufacturer that produced a like product to be branded with several different names so just wondering.
 
Mr. Blankenship, regarding language and literacy, look up the difference between "infer" and "imply." I do hope you're not implying that there is no difference in the prevailing quality assurance practices of Chinese, Taiwanese, and Japanese manufacturers. Chinese rubber carburetor mounts have been particularly troublesome, so the question of provenance is significant. Quite a few folks here have experienced trouble after selecting carb kits on the basis of price alone. If you believe that I am wrong in seeing a couple of red flags raised in Cognito's listing, you might consider whether it would be be more effective to put the questions to rest with facts than to indulge in generalization, rant, and personal attack. Welcome to the board.

Dick Russell
 
Has anyone purchased anything from Cognito moto? I was pricing out a set of carbs last night on 650central when they popped up in my search as well. Just curious because they have a bit of inventor as well and some prices are a bit better.
For what it's worth I ordered a steering stem for my R1 front end conversion and it fit perfectly, shipping was quick and emails answered within a day. As soon as I get a few extra bucks I'm going to order the upper triple and risers.
 
Corndog, that's good to know.

This thing seemed to start off being about carburetors. You mentioned 650 Central in your 1st post. I can tell you that Michael Morse at 650 Central has enjoyed an extremely good reputation in this arena since long before he acquired 650 Central. I've been reading positive reports for many years. He'll stay on the phone with you, too! He is worth the price of admission.

If you choose to source your carburetors from Cognito Moto or another vendor, we would all benefit from your report on the experience.

Maybe we should leave it at that.
 
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