Does Ignitech make a programmable CDI/TCI box for our platform?

The race bike that Rick from Smedspeed runs for flat track use, has a programable Ignitech, rather than the oem mechanical advance. he has positioned the pickup in the LH cover, but this bike has no charging system which makes for much more space. The latest Ignitech box has two curves option ( switchable)
I used this to set a mild and wild curve on an R80ST i built recently. both make the engines run better, very retarded for easy starting followed by high number tick over advance for good response and a shallow curve to full advance, if you use a CV carb, you can also use a TPS to build a 3D ignition map OR a HD voes switch which will give you two vacuum dependant curves. control is everything !!

I am in the middle of a design process fitting an Ignitech to my XS1, the biggest headache is the pickup, but this can be accommodated by adding a 6mm aluminium round spacer to the inspection cover. thus allowing lots of room. the Ignitech will allow for rephased 277 as well as 360 degree

Rick ( Smedspeed UK) and I still do a lot of design work, he has a nice new starter motor upgrade, that will turn over 880 engines

Howard
 
Signal said:
I am of a fan of the Gonzo ignition for most XS 650 applications but remain very interested in Ignitech as an option to use with methanol. Methanol I have read requires accurate timing and the flexibility of the Ignitech would allow changes to be done almost on the fly with the bike on the dyno.
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Maybe offtopic but...
I have Ignitech in my XS650, not 100% complete to ride, but the engine has been running...
Parts what I used is PMA/Banshee charging system base plate and stator bracket, so it had place for pickup coil. Coil and pickup are also from Banshee.
I Programmed it to ignite every cycle as two stroke, at four stroke it's "waste spark" system. The biggest problem was that the pick coil didn't fit in the clutch cover. Now pick up is about on red area, but new timing mark and base plate rotation, allows move it like in picture.

Quite prototype now, but totally doable.

{the picture is not taken from my bike)

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Hi, I think my Probe electronic ignition has gone kaput on my 270 rephased 750 big bore 'XS650'. Ignitech was suggested as a possible alternative but reading all the posts above scares me, as I have no experience with electronics, so much of what I'm reading above is, well, way above my head. So maybe Ignitech is not an option unless they have now got a 'plug n play' set up for a rephased xs, and a 270 rephase at that. Is that likely?
 
Mannyroad, have you investigated the Probe for broken wires. I had a Probe ignition stop and one of the small wires on the pickup had broken. Resoldered it and it was back up and running.
If the probe is dead try asking ignitech, but its probably unlikely they have a off the shelf solution. See post #21 Smed Speed may be some help and they are in the UK.
 
Hi

Ignitech ( Jiri Krejzl) made us ignitions for our "full race" rephased 750 flat tracker,as well as 750 race bike we campaign in the Irish road race series, the pulse rotor mounts on the centre of what was the alternator rotor. and the pickup is on a plate. I have used ignitech for 20+ years and not had a failure. The base unit is around E140 in europe, you will need two coils ( we use Heiden 3 ohm) and ONE pickup, the system operates on digital seperation, when one cylinder fires the other does the requisite amount of degrees later, without the requirement for two individual pickups ( which would generate a wasted spark) when you order the unit you ask for what diring angle you require ( 270/277)

However the answer to the initial question: can one be used on a stock XS650, is NO

there is little space in the LH cover for a pick-up, on race bikes we have no charging system so plenty of space

this being said i believe that the late Hitachi ignition pick up could be made to work with an ignitech., OR a picup mounted in a similar place

I have an ignitech on an SR500 (540) which uilises a 3D map, via a throttle position sensor, and also 2 seperate maps ( switchable) , on my SZR 660 the 2 maps are utlised through a Harley VOES ( vacuum controlled basically )

Howard
 
howardsmed said:
Hi

Ignitech ( Jiri Krejzl) made us ignitions for our "full race" rephased 750 flat tracker,as well as 750 race bike we campaign in the Irish road race series, the pulse rotor mounts on the centre of what was the alternator rotor. and the pickup is on a plate. I have used ignitech for 20+ years and not had a failure. The base unit is around E140 in europe, you will need two coils ( we use Heiden 3 ohm) and ONE pickup, the system operates on digital seperation, when one cylinder fires the other does the requisite amount of degrees later, without the requirement for two individual pickups ( which would generate a wasted spark) when you order the unit you ask for what diring angle you require ( 270/277)

However the answer to the initial question: can one be used on a stock XS650, is NO

there is little space in the LH cover for a pick-up, on race bikes we have no charging system so plenty of space

this being said i believe that the late Hitachi ignition pick up could be made to work with an ignitech., OR a picup mounted in a similar place

I have an ignitech on an SR500 (540) which uilises a 3D map, via a throttle position sensor, and also 2 seperate maps ( switchable) , on my SZR 660 the 2 maps are utlised through a Harley VOES ( vacuum controlled basically )

Howard
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Hi Howard,
You might recall looking at my cam profiles a while back, where you determined that the new cam for my 750 270 degree motor was ground wrong. I ordered a new 3.5 cam off Rick last year and have just got it fitted, hence first fire up yesterday. The new cam was fantastic in that the motor was more powerful, sharp and responsive with a glorious exhaust note. But shortly after getting it all settled the Probe ignition system seems to have thrown its toys out of the pram, such that the engine no longer runs, hence why I'm trying to source an alternative system. Was hoping to avoid going back to a mechanical advance and contactless points setup but may be forced down this route. Currently speaking with Pipes N Stuff to see if they can modify their system for a 270 motor. Fingers crossed.
 
Signal said:
Mannyroad, have you investigated the Probe for broken wires. I had a Probe ignition stop and one of the small wires on the pickup had broken. Resoldered it and it was back up and running.
If the probe is dead try asking ignitech, but its probably unlikely they have a off the shelf solution. See post #21 Smed Speed may be some help and they are in the UK.
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Thanks Signal. Can't see any broken wires between main control unit and sensor board. All soldered on firm. 8 pin connector all clean too. It's strange that the red LED light comes on bright red when you pull the plug out but goes out when you plug it back in (& won't come back on when you cycle the motor). Battery is a new lipo and fully charged. Power supply to the unit is good. Can't figure it because I don't understand how to test it for failures.
 
Hi

I am glad the cam worked/works well, we have used it on dozens of bikes. The profile that is the 3.5 was originally a Megacycle profile, but the duration was so extreme, so ken Newman and I, reduced the duration, on inlet and exhaust, the original had more duration than my 115hp Buell, ( how can that be right)
the 3.5 is a realy nice hot street cam, BUT it is only for 750s and bigger with at least 9:1 compression. Steve Mann who raced a CRMC sidecar outfit for years won the trophy on a bike with this cam

hope it all works well

what lobe centre are you using for the inlet ?
 
howardsmed said:
Hi

I am glad the cam worked/works well, we have used it on dozens of bikes. The profile that is the 3.5 was originally a Megacycle profile, but the duration was so extreme, so ken Newman and I, reduced the duration, on inlet and exhaust, the original had more duration than my 115hp Buell, ( how can that be right)
the 3.5 is a realy nice hot street cam, BUT it is only for 750s and bigger with at least 9:1 compression. Steve Mann who raced a CRMC sidecar outfit for years won the trophy on a bike with this cam

hope it all works well

what lobe centre are you using for the inlet ?
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It is set to 102 degrees.
 
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