Interesting now if they made a 3 wheeler for my wife
I'll have to scope it out !
I'll have to scope it out !
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Electric Vehicles, Hybrids...Battery tech... Land Air and Sea. Let's See 'em.
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And they have a bunch
Good thing we live in a democracy..............
https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/sti...to-boost-u-s-electric-vehicle-sales-1.6352838
If we were somewhere else they'd just TELL us what we can and can't do, without voter or representative input.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/sti...to-boost-u-s-electric-vehicle-sales-1.6352838
If we were somewhere else they'd just TELL us what we can and can't do, without voter or representative input.
I've tried to stay on topic here>
Q: Is gasomotor doomed?
A: No, but somebody want's you to think so...
Maybe there's something I'm not understanding...what is a battery? Old times a battery was an arrangement of cannon, for example. Naturally when the early electrical power sources, such as the batteries that powered the telegraph (these are fascinating batteries, recall that there was no way to recharge them, they were not rechargeable, nor were they lead/acid). Gradually the idea of "battery" came to mean the genre of chemical sources of electricity, rechargeable or not. http://members.kos.net/sdgagnon/te4.html and https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/telegraph-batteries-1853-07-30/
Ok, so how is a gasoline engine not a battery? Right, the other chemicals are not inside the gas tank. Gasoline is not capable of exploding, ever. Well, there is a bit of O2, but since the gaso has vapor pressure, only a tiny bit finds a way to the tank. (The silly claims about fuel tank explosion in FL 800 are BS.) Generally the gauge sender in cars actually is a variable wire resistor with a sweep - that makes sparks in the tank, at least once in a while...so? So no explosion. (actually in atomic explosions the neutron flux can be strong enough to make gaso explode...as styrofoam works to detonate the secondary in a simple fission-fusion gadget, but if yer there you won't be worried by this, or anything else)
In chemical batteries the "reagent" chemicals are all in one can... Yes, this is very dangerous. And the physics in e-motorized electric cars demand high voltages for a reasonable efficiency. Safe-guards such as fuses and breakers and so forth mitigate the danger, yet the danger remains in waiting. You may as well have a "safed" bomb. Then roll at 70 mph... Such machine can never be safe. Direct current @ 300 volts is difficult to control, once an arc starts it's a fubar you won't have time to stop. I'd run, upwind if possible.
My opinion is that it is a stupid policy to try to force such machines into replacing gas engine, and a false policy too. It would be far more practical to build modern electrified urban rail systems and small cars - VW built a kool 100 + MPG sporty... If there is not 'nuf petro, synthesize it, or better, I think, isopropyl alcohol (isopropyl has the best stoichiometry of secondary alcohols), but actually the abiotic synthesis of petroleum is fully understood. Petroleum is part of the CHx outgassing from the core. The false? Somebody's lying, it's a racket, and somebody wants you to walk. I'll stop there, some might think we're skirting the prohibition on "politics"...which is just a freak show on a stage, imho. The CHx? It's primordial...original stuff from the planet's coalescence , and previously from exploding stars. Just like the iron and the gold. It may well be that the rate of natural evolution of petro is < the use rate. I think it is. Some places on the planet have vast amounts of it.
(I have the learned scientific papers describing the chemistry of abiotic petro synthesis in geologic formation. It's not "fossil" fuel, but we might say it is a gift from god. I'd say it just is.)
I hope that I have kept close enough to topic and far enough from "politics".
Best!
Q: Is gasomotor doomed?
A: No, but somebody want's you to think so...
Maybe there's something I'm not understanding...what is a battery? Old times a battery was an arrangement of cannon, for example. Naturally when the early electrical power sources, such as the batteries that powered the telegraph (these are fascinating batteries, recall that there was no way to recharge them, they were not rechargeable, nor were they lead/acid). Gradually the idea of "battery" came to mean the genre of chemical sources of electricity, rechargeable or not. http://members.kos.net/sdgagnon/te4.html and https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/telegraph-batteries-1853-07-30/
Ok, so how is a gasoline engine not a battery? Right, the other chemicals are not inside the gas tank. Gasoline is not capable of exploding, ever. Well, there is a bit of O2, but since the gaso has vapor pressure, only a tiny bit finds a way to the tank. (The silly claims about fuel tank explosion in FL 800 are BS.) Generally the gauge sender in cars actually is a variable wire resistor with a sweep - that makes sparks in the tank, at least once in a while...so? So no explosion. (actually in atomic explosions the neutron flux can be strong enough to make gaso explode...as styrofoam works to detonate the secondary in a simple fission-fusion gadget, but if yer there you won't be worried by this, or anything else)
In chemical batteries the "reagent" chemicals are all in one can... Yes, this is very dangerous. And the physics in e-motorized electric cars demand high voltages for a reasonable efficiency. Safe-guards such as fuses and breakers and so forth mitigate the danger, yet the danger remains in waiting. You may as well have a "safed" bomb. Then roll at 70 mph... Such machine can never be safe. Direct current @ 300 volts is difficult to control, once an arc starts it's a fubar you won't have time to stop. I'd run, upwind if possible.
My opinion is that it is a stupid policy to try to force such machines into replacing gas engine, and a false policy too. It would be far more practical to build modern electrified urban rail systems and small cars - VW built a kool 100 + MPG sporty... If there is not 'nuf petro, synthesize it, or better, I think, isopropyl alcohol (isopropyl has the best stoichiometry of secondary alcohols), but actually the abiotic synthesis of petroleum is fully understood. Petroleum is part of the CHx outgassing from the core. The false? Somebody's lying, it's a racket, and somebody wants you to walk. I'll stop there, some might think we're skirting the prohibition on "politics"...which is just a freak show on a stage, imho. The CHx? It's primordial...original stuff from the planet's coalescence , and previously from exploding stars. Just like the iron and the gold. It may well be that the rate of natural evolution of petro is < the use rate. I think it is. Some places on the planet have vast amounts of it.
(I have the learned scientific papers describing the chemistry of abiotic petro synthesis in geologic formation. It's not "fossil" fuel, but we might say it is a gift from god. I'd say it just is.)
I hope that I have kept close enough to topic and far enough from "politics".
Best!
Some ford dealers are discounting E-Transits already offering 4-5000 off list. Some urban contractors are reporting success in using them. I suspect northern contractors might be a bit reluctant about trying to get warmed up in the morning, during lunch break or trips between jobs in an E-van.... Or even reliable 50 mile range in sub zero temps.
Winter in Laramie old man...lucky to even get "click", and the oil is like margarine.
Looks like the fail-safes might be inadequate. Hey! Very neat-0 !!
Just today "Backwoods Solar Electric" sent me some stuff on Li batteries...this seems relevant to the topic. Here's a fragment>
"As you may know, some online battery retailers offer very inexpensive UL listed lithium (LiFePO4) batteries. Unfortunately, such low prices may result from an important but unadvertised material fact: these lithium batteries are used. We have discovered that certain UL1973 and UL9540 listed lithium batteries are also UL1974 certified. And a UL1974 listed lithium battery is a repurposed but used Electric Vehicle battery. We know these used EV batteries meet UL safety standards but we also know that each battery has been exposed to different charging and discharging conditions during its use in a vehicle. UL1974 does not guarantee capacity or longevity. Buyer beware!"
So? People put these things, which I'd call "reaction bombes", in their houses... Ok, their choice, if they know.
How many used automotive LiFePO4 batteries are the "replacements" that get put into cars? Maybe zero...how would you know?
"As you may know, some online battery retailers offer very inexpensive UL listed lithium (LiFePO4) batteries. Unfortunately, such low prices may result from an important but unadvertised material fact: these lithium batteries are used. We have discovered that certain UL1973 and UL9540 listed lithium batteries are also UL1974 certified. And a UL1974 listed lithium battery is a repurposed but used Electric Vehicle battery. We know these used EV batteries meet UL safety standards but we also know that each battery has been exposed to different charging and discharging conditions during its use in a vehicle. UL1974 does not guarantee capacity or longevity. Buyer beware!"
So? People put these things, which I'd call "reaction bombes", in their houses... Ok, their choice, if they know.
How many used automotive LiFePO4 batteries are the "replacements" that get put into cars? Maybe zero...how would you know?
EV is the future, just some wrinkles to get ironed out. No different than when they were harnessing steam. Boiler explosions used to be common with devastating results.
I should add boiler explosions still happen just not as often, the results are still devastating.
EV Future...muummmm. Maybe, but...
At a nuke "NPS" that I know about, knew a girl "operator" there... and I did work there on a contract basis, the highly trained (?!!) and well-regulated and inspected personnel managed to destroy the steam generator by ignoring proper water chemistry, but prior to that, they slugged the turbine, thus creating an explosion and almost torquing the turbine right into the switchgear yard. The lower shell was cracked from the force. It was said, and the gal confirmed to me in a "special" moment, that a good quality of LSD was available in the control room. When they slugged the machine, they lied and tried to blame Westinghouse... Which does have a reputation for weak LP stages. Then we have credible examples of UL lying about several matters that have "political" (read criminal) character, certain steel beams in particular buildings. A big example is the 737 whatever. And then there's the fundamentals of recharge efficiency. Lose >1/2 at the non nuke thermal TPS, some in the transformers, which are in series so it adds up, then the hi-tension transmission line lose more, (these are run hot in peaking loads, and the thermal expansion limits by sagging the wires (aluminum with steel core)...) going on, local losses in the substations, and losses in the charging machines, and then you can never get out all of what you put in, estimated loss in charging LiFepo4... Say 5%...since the power station is a burner, generally, the overall ev approach has to be no better that gaso Probably worse, considering the losses in making all the parts. The lure of money entices people to lie. But lying works, ev may be the future indeed! They'll have to accept a regime of controls better than nuke power stations, or accept explosions and deaths, maybe somewhere in between fires and heavy regulation. Pretty girl. The overall losses say gasoline is the better power source, safer, cheaper, and more practical. Probably even cleaner, depending on the prime movers and the network. Oh yeah, they also had an explosion in the standby B&W boiler...kilt a fella, I heard.
Some might say the entire matter is backwards. People that have never done a day's work, but love money bigtime, decide technical matters? Looks like a racket to me. The physics simply does not make sense. People are easily deceived. I'll break off at that. Sure! Bring it, by all means let's go EV, but it only works for rich-people...which may be the idea, if we are optimistic.
At a nuke "NPS" that I know about, knew a girl "operator" there... and I did work there on a contract basis, the highly trained (?!!) and well-regulated and inspected personnel managed to destroy the steam generator by ignoring proper water chemistry, but prior to that, they slugged the turbine, thus creating an explosion and almost torquing the turbine right into the switchgear yard. The lower shell was cracked from the force. It was said, and the gal confirmed to me in a "special" moment, that a good quality of LSD was available in the control room. When they slugged the machine, they lied and tried to blame Westinghouse... Which does have a reputation for weak LP stages. Then we have credible examples of UL lying about several matters that have "political" (read criminal) character, certain steel beams in particular buildings. A big example is the 737 whatever. And then there's the fundamentals of recharge efficiency. Lose >1/2 at the non nuke thermal TPS, some in the transformers, which are in series so it adds up, then the hi-tension transmission line lose more, (these are run hot in peaking loads, and the thermal expansion limits by sagging the wires (aluminum with steel core)...) going on, local losses in the substations, and losses in the charging machines, and then you can never get out all of what you put in, estimated loss in charging LiFepo4... Say 5%...since the power station is a burner, generally, the overall ev approach has to be no better that gaso Probably worse, considering the losses in making all the parts. The lure of money entices people to lie. But lying works, ev may be the future indeed! They'll have to accept a regime of controls better than nuke power stations, or accept explosions and deaths, maybe somewhere in between fires and heavy regulation. Pretty girl. The overall losses say gasoline is the better power source, safer, cheaper, and more practical. Probably even cleaner, depending on the prime movers and the network. Oh yeah, they also had an explosion in the standby B&W boiler...kilt a fella, I heard.
Some might say the entire matter is backwards. People that have never done a day's work, but love money bigtime, decide technical matters? Looks like a racket to me. The physics simply does not make sense. People are easily deceived. I'll break off at that. Sure! Bring it, by all means let's go EV, but it only works for rich-people...which may be the idea, if we are optimistic.
Walmart places bet on EVs by installing chargers at stores.
https://www.emergingtechbrew.com/st...6.250976&mid=808d1e59330ce9908081bf128e3d48fb
https://www.emergingtechbrew.com/st...6.250976&mid=808d1e59330ce9908081bf128e3d48fb
That's interesting Gary.
I read the article with an eye to the agenda implied. Quotes the "white house" and industry lobbying outfit. The claims (charg-n-shop) make sense. ( I see chargerstations in "metropolitan" town nearby our village. Town is on a major highway. Seldom see one in use though.) Call me cynical, I'll bet there's a racket in there somewhere, possibly a tax affair... I'd suspicion that Wally's is not out even a dime with these and proposed stations, considering the moral character of the royal family and the influence they wield, they probably get paid in some occult way to put them in. The cited Wally's press release implies altruism on the part of Wally!! Mirabile dictu.
Not that I object to change, it's very entertaining. Also inevitable. It interests me that our Euroasiatic Brothers and their (African and South American pals) seem to be doing the gas-ev adaptation routine too, and how they're going at it - in particular who will benefit, technical differences, capital costs-vs-one another, and operating costs, etc. It's fun to try to understand the agendas.
Best!
Rajasthan, India, covering 14,000 acres and has a capacity of 2,245 MW
Well I certainly hope they can see it from space, they can read license plates from there.... 
Sandip in the middle absolutely refused to give up his potato patch.