Aftermarket wiring - handlebar switches etc.

It can be difficult
I did replace harness late summer on an 1980
And a harness from a seller probably the same Mikes Sell
I replaced handlebar controls left and right

The harness was supposed to be the best fit :Not much was the same
I found a Wiring Schematic in a Haynes Handbook .. for a earlier model that was more akin
Without that I would not been able to do it

Was able to connect some functionality and after a While the spare wires was fewer
The flasher relay pins was flipped inside the socket so I needed to move them

It does not look right in the fuse box a Multiple fused system probably have a main Fuse 20 A
 
It can be difficult
I did replace harness late summer on an 1980
And a harness from a seller probably the same Mikes Sell
I replaced handlebar controls left and right

The harness was supposed to be the best fit :Not much was the same
I found a Wiring Schematic in a Haynes Handbook .. for a earlier model that was more akin
Without that I would not been able to do it

Was able to connect some functionality and after a While the spare wires was fewer
The flasher relay pins was flipped inside the socket so I needed to move them

It does not look right in the fuse box a Multiple fused system probably have a main Fuse 20 A

It does have 20 amp fuse at fuse box where battery input is.
 
The '78 models had a few changes in the wiring compared to the earlier models. '78 was the last year for the headlight on-off switch on the right handlebar control, and the first year for the auto-on headlight relay. This meant that the handlebar switch only worked with the key on, motor not running. As soon as you started the bike, the auto-on relay would kick in and bypass the handlebar switch, turning the headlight on no matter what position the switch was in. I thought that was a rather silly set-up so I looked into "fixing" the handlebar switch, returning it to a fully functional (at all times) state. It turned out to be rather simple, just by unplugging one wire down at the relay ......

HL Switch Relay.jpg


The relay is still "doing it's thing", trying to send power to the headlight, but that signal no longer goes through now.

'78 was also the first year the tail light was wired directly to the ignition switch and is controlled by it. Earlier models had it connected to the headlight on-off switch so you had control over it. Now it's not too big a deal on the models with a single tail light bulb, but some of the later Special models added a 2nd tail light bulb and also two license plate illumination bulbs. So now you're turning four bulbs on with the key. My '83 came like this and I didn't like it. I think it's too much draw on the rather small battery these bikes came with, so I "fixed" it. I added an earlier right side handlebar control with the headlight on-off switch, and modded the switch plate in the ignition switch so the tail lights didn't come on with the key any more. Details are here .....

https://www.xs650.com/threads/retrofitting-headlight-on-off-switch-to-81-83-model.58167/

And eventually, I "fixed" my '78 as well by changing to an older ignition switch, one that doesn't turn the tail light on. Before doing that though, I changed to a L.E.D. tail light bulb to reduce the draw when turning the key on. But this caused another minor issue. Apparently the draw is so small with that new bulb that the light checker thought it was burned out, lol, so it turned on the dash warning light. I fixed that eventually by just removing the light checker, but until I did that, I just pulled the bulb out of the dash light, lol. The light checker is difficult to access, being mounted on the back of the battery box. You need to remove the rear wheel and the plastic inner fender.

So, let's talk about the light checker a little. There were two versions used, the simple 3 wire unit like my Standard had, and a more complex 7 wire unit used on the Specials. The simple 3 wire unit only monitors the brake light and removal is easy, you just unplug it and toss it, no jumper wire required. However, the more complex 7 wire unit monitors both the tail and brake light, and power for and to the tail light runs through it. To do away with it, you need to add a jumper wire to restore power to the tail light.
 
Okay I made a few adjustments. I know my diagram looks goofy with the colors not aligning, but they align with my aftermarket parts.

Does this look correct? I know I have still left off the The diagrams also show a flasher cancelling unit, reserve lighting, as well as a light checker.

Since the Headlight is receiving power from the switch it does not go straight to the fuse box correct?

Is the top terminal on a three prong flasher relay used?


xs650 wiring v2.jpg
 
Maybe I am tired still don't get it

from battery there is a feed to the fuses -->
It looks as if there is power on the upside of the Taillight fuse
If the fuse is in --- there will be power on the taillight regardless of the Switch Position
Am I missing something ?

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you are correct. Was thinking of leaving tail lights going anytime bike is on.

Is that a bad idea?
If I get it right it is on all the time as long the battery is in
That circuit battery --fuse -- tail light --ground appears to be closed all the time.
No way switching off
If I recall right power needs to go via switch to fuses and then power up the system

the analogy with the garden hose for DC .. water flow via valves hose faucets and leaks perhaps can help.
Top down system + 12 V with small drops to 0 at minus battery
 
Well, in part, yes, lol. Your aftermarket ignition switch appears to be the '77 and older Standard model type because it has that R/Y power out for the headlight. Here's a diagram excerpt that shows it .....

77Ign.Switch.jpg

Headlight and tail light power are only protected by the main 20 amp fuse. The ignition switch only powers the tail light in the "Park" position. It gets it's power in the "On" position from the R/Y going through the headlight on-off switch. The L/B is power out of the headlight on-off switch and normally runs to the RLU, and from there on up to the hi-lo switch. If you're eliminating the RLU (a good idea in my mind), then the L/B can be run directly to the hi-lo switch.

Here's a Special fuse box diagram. Power from the battery runs to the ignition switch through a 20 amp fuse. Then a brown wire runs out of the ignition switch back to the fuse box where it is split multiple times to power (and fuse) all the other circuits on the bike .....

Special Fuses2.jpg


Your fuses won't match exactly (you won't have/need a headlight fuse), but the basic layout should look like this.
 
Mr 5 t was quicker post this anyway
Well not so easy to give advice since the intent is not clear and you have another 20 A fuse
some where Maybe that fuse block can work ,.But on a stock bike other circuits are fused
Ignition / charging fex
 
Well, in part, yes, lol. Your aftermarket ignition switch appears to be the '77 and older Standard model type because it has that R/Y power out for the headlight. Here's a diagram excerpt that shows it .....

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Headlight and tail light power are only protected by the main 20 amp fuse. The ignition switch only powers the tail light in the "Park" position. It gets it's power in the "On" position from the R/Y going through the headlight on-off switch. The L/B is power out of the headlight on-off switch and normally runs to the RLU, and from there on up to the hi-lo switch. If you're eliminating the RLU (a good idea in my mind), then the L/B can be run directly to the hi-lo switch.

Here's a Special fuse box diagram. Power from the battery runs to the ignition switch through a 20 amp fuse. Then a brown wire runs out of the ignition switch back to the fuse box where it is split multiple times to power (and fuse) all the other circuits on the bike .....

View attachment 341513

Your fuses won't match exactly (you won't have/need a headlight fuse), but the basic layout should look like this.
This makes sense, I feel like this is what my most recent diagram shows (I do not have an L/B wire out of my HL switch on the Right handlebar. The wire that I show being dashed blue (blue/white) is running power out of HL switch to the H/L indicator on the left handlebar. Is that correct?

Also, I have a 20 amp inline fuse to install between battery and the ignition switch. I just did not draw that in as of yet.
 
Mr 5 t was quicker post this anyway
Well not so easy to give advice since the intent is not clear and you have another 20 A fuse
some where Maybe that fuse block can work ,.But on a stock bike other circuits are fused
Ignition / charging fex
I appreciate your help and apologize for being unclear/vague.

Maybe I do not need the fuse block at all? I could power the horn/taillight/neutral switch off of 12v switched from the main switch?

I am planning on installing a 20 amp fuse between battery and main switch.
 
Yes, you don't need a fuse box, just that one 20 amp main fuse on the power line from the battery to the ignition switch is fine. That's how all the Standard models were set up. The fuse box came along on the Special models. It's OK I guess but it does complicate the wiring more. I've never had any issues with the single main fuse on my '78 Standard and don't have any plans to add more fuses to it (other than the one I already did for my Pamco ignition).

The headlight on-off switch should have two power out wires. One will run to the hi-lo switch and the other to the tail light (if you want to be able to turn it on and off). Personally, I like having control over the tail light, and don't see the need for it to be on all the time (whenever the key is on). I changed both of my 650s so they're like that now.

The start button should go to ground when pushed. It provides the ground that completes the circuit on the solenoid, and that "kicks" the starter into engagement. There may or may not be a ground wire coming out of your new switch assembly for this. Early stock ones just grounded the button to the handlebars when you pushed it. The ground traveled over to the left switch assembly which did have a ground wire running into the headlight bucket.
 
Yes, you don't need a fuse box, just that one 20 amp main fuse on the power line from the battery to the ignition switch is fine. That's how all the Standard models were set up. The fuse box came along on the Special models. It's OK I guess but it does complicate the wiring more. I've never had any issues with the single main fuse on my '78 Standard and don't have any plans to add more fuses to it (other than the one I already did for my Pamco ignition).
I'ma be a bit contrarian here....
Yes you need the 20A main, but far as I'm concerned, you need more. With a single 20A fuse, all it takes is a shorted wire somewhere... such as the tail light wire running inside the rear fender to short out and kill the whole bike. Shorted wire, 20A blows and you're dead in the water.... from a rock smacking the wiring under the fender (or somesuch... just an example).
If you were to give that lighting circuit it's own fuse... like was done from '78 on, then the 10A lighting fuse will blow and your ignition circuit still gets power. You can still ride the bike home.

With the single 20A blown, your choices are; a trailer... or chasing down the short in the local 7-11 parking lot. With separate circuits, ignition will always get power unless something in the ignition circuit shorts out... you can still ride it home.
 
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