Alternate off-road bike suggestions.

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A little backstory first. Last year I registered my bike for a local vintage bike show. It’s been going on for a few years now but last year was the first I was able to attend. It has grown quite a bit and is now being held at a local historic complex that was formerly a GE factory that has converted to retail and apartment complexes. A very cool location to say the least. A few weeks ago the organizer reached out asking me to display my bike in the facility for a few weeks ahead to publicize the event. It will be alongside a Norton and a new Janus. Cool, I’m in! I also offered to volunteer for the event thinking this would be a great way to get involved in the local vintage bike scene. So now I am apparently one of the judges for the show. Never done that before, but why not! Now to get to the point of this thread. In talking with the organizer we started talking about our other bikes and I shared a picture of my “collection”. He saw my xs scrambler and sparked some more conversation. He has now invited me to join his small group of friends (maybe 7 or 8) to do some scrambler type rides. This would be more off road stuff and not typical rural roads. Now my xs scrambler is not done or running, but I’m wondering how capable the xs will really be for this. It’s a pretty heavy bike for off road riding. So now I’m eyeballing some smaller better suited bikes for these rides. Their bikes are not all vintage, but for the price point I’m looking at, that’s more in my cards. Off the top of my head I’m thinking Honda cl, sl, or xr . Ultimately I’d like a cl77, but they are like hen’s teeth around here. Keep in mind, I have zero off-road riding experience, so weight and suspension are at the forefront of my mind. I’m very excited to be included in their group. I’m not ruling out my xs, but I’m trying to be realistic given my riding abilities. Let me know what your suggestions for bikes I should be considering.
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No experience Rob, is a double edged sword in your case. The good is you have no experience to judge your XS scrambler by. The bad is you have no experience. I've done plenty of off road camping trips in the past on an XS... even with road tires. If you live within it's capabilities, it's a halfway decent off road bike.... always keeping in mind what it is... a road bike.

If you've never done that sort of riding, I highly suggest finding a small-ish dirt bike to learn on. Get the basics down and then see how you feel about your scrambler. With the tires and pipes etc you have on it, I suspect it'll do just fine for occasional dirt/scrambler type riding.

Go for it dude!! If you've never done any trail riding, you're in for a treat. And a last caution.... it's addicting. :sneaky:
 
I have owned multiple of these over the years, and they are just so versatile, I'm going to suggest the DRZ400. They have been around for a long lot time, the aftermarket is so plentiful if you have a thought about something, it's probably already made or upgraded, and they are dead reliable. They really are just perfect all arounders
 
Nobody will agree with me, but as far as offroad capability goes -vs- low cost, giggly fun, is very hard to beat the TW200. Early 80s tech, underpowered, heavy & literally as much fun as you can have on 2 wheels (whilst clothed)
They have a rabidly loyal following & fanbase (and a really helpful forum) & are endlessly customizable without having to spend a ton of cash.

As Mr. Yamaha intended.....
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Aaaaand mine with some very groovy mods😁
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Nobody will agree with me, but as far as offroad capability goes -vs- low cost, giggly fun, is very hard to beat the TW200. Early 80s tech, underpowered, heavy & literally as much fun as you can have on 2 wheels (whilst clothed)
They have a rabidly loyal following & fanbase (and a really helpful forum) & are endlessly customizable without having to spend a ton of cash.

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Capabilites....
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Aaaaand mine with some very groovy mods😁
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I mean I'm not even the OP but somehow you sold me on a tdub. Bravo.
 
Nobody will agree with me, but as far as offroad capability goes -vs- low cost, giggly fun, is very hard to beat the TW200. Early 80s tech, underpowered, heavy & literally as much fun as you can have on 2 wheels (whilst clothed)
They have a rabidly loyal following & fanbase (and a really helpful forum) & are endlessly customizable without having to spend a ton of cash.

As Mr. Yamaha intended.....View attachment 331020

Capabilites....
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Aaaaand mine with some very groovy mods😁
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I will not disagree with you, I have read some great endorsements on the TW in a SAILING site.
 
I had an XT250 many years ago and it was pretty nice. But even it got heavy after an afternoon in the woods and picking it up numerous times, lol. That's why it was nice that it was road legal. Once I tired of the trails, I could just hop on the road and ride home, no need to backtrack through all those trails again. It was a 4 stroke single, basically a shrunk down version of the SR/XT/TT500.
 
My first bike was a 90 cc Suzuki Enduro in highschool. I was 70 lbs lighter then. I went anywhere on that bike. In the USMC I spent 8 months in RADAR school at Fort Bliss El Paso TX. (Is marital Bliss agony at 110 degrees F?) I had a 225lb Can AM 175cc TnT that lead me off into the bush EVERY time I left base. I rode pretty fast in those days.
 
Well I am definitely looking to stay 4 stroke. Some good suggestions so far. As far as cc’s go, I’m leaning in the 175-350 range. Those TW tires look huge.
Off road weight is you enemy. At a leisurely pace group ride most dual sport bikes should be good. But, never hurry for the sake of the group.
 
I'll add my two-bits worth...
If you are willing to transport the enduro/trail bike, how about a TTR 230? Light enough, able enough for trails, cheap, reliable and plentiful. The only downside I see is that it is electric-start-only. I cut my trail-riding teeth on one. @5twins mentioned an XT 250. My daily is an XT350, now set-up as a road-bike. Also a very capable and enjoyable machine. IMHO, light weight and small displacement is the way to go until you feel really comfortable. It also has very much to do with what your group considers "trails". Trails in my immediate area includes deep gullies, creek crossings, greasy clay, bog holes and fallen logs. I could imagine that Northern Indiana could be very similar. There is no way you could comfortably ride an XS on my trails. Very different from fire/logging roads or some semi-desert terrain that I have seen, where an XS in scrambler trim might be suitable.
 
Someone else mentioned it, but I can’t recommend a Yamaha XT350 enough. Granted I’ve only taken mine off road once but in general it’s a blast to ride. I’ve done long trips on it, city riding, off-roading. It’s reliable, easy to fix, pretty quick but not going to scare you. The aftermarket is pretty non-existent and its kick starts only, IMO those are the only 2 cons of this bike.

Here is mine fully loaded down.

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If you wanted newer tech, I’d recommend looking into the WR250. If you want a 2 stroke you can’t go wrong with a KDX200 or an IT175.
 
One option not mentioned yet might be a 1970's or 80's trials bike. Lightweight, easy to ride, well behaved off road, tough as old boots. Downsides would be, not especially quick on the road and limited fuel range. (In the UK, prices of twin shock trials bikes have gone to silly levels but it might be different elsewhere).
 
I have a 94 KE100. It's a very light and simple dual sport. The last of the street legal 2 strokes, dual shocks, points and condenser ignition.
Although the tw200 would be my first choice. It is the easiest bike I have ever ridden in dirt or over rocks.
If you don't need street legal, a BW350 is like a TW200 on steroids.
https://global.yamaha-motor.com/jp/stories/history/products/img/mc/AP000142345.pdf
 
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