Can't believe Haynes Manual!

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Well guys, I'm re-assembling my newly rephased and 750 big bored 79 motor, after months with the parts all sat on a shelf in my workshop. So, despite carefully laying out the parts in a sort of sequence when disassembling I have still managed to forget what some of the parts are or where they go. Old age memory I guess, and it being the first time I've needed to tear an XS motor down fully, into its component parts.

Anyway, everything cleaned up and inspected and replaced where needed I decided to begin the rebuild. My big mistake was following the Haynes manual's build sequence. Why I hear you ask. Some of you out there will know what's coming. So, followed Ch.1/28 and fitted the selector forks, the selector drum and the followers. All good. Then Ch.1/29 fitted the input and output gearbox shafts and the pushrod oil seal, followed by the crankshaft. All good. Next step in the manual (Ch.1/30) deals with joining the crankcase halves and torquing down all 18 of the bolts, having first Timebonded the mating surfaces. All good. Next two sections of Ch.1 are concerned with fitting the kickstarter mechanism and then fitting the clutch......and this is where the sh*t hits the fan.
Haynes appear to have 'dropped the ball'. Not my usual terminology in these instances, but thought I'd keep the language clean. What Haynes totally forgot, as part of the build sequence, was to advise their readers that they need to install the starter crossover shaft and pinions BEFORE joining the cases. So that left me having to rip the motor apart again to install the shaft and pinions and clean up all the mating case surfaces again and replace the copper washers that had been crushed. I mean, this isn't some simple typo error, like exists elsewhere in their shoddily proof read manual, this is a significant build element they forgot to include!! Ok, I haven't built a full engine in quite a while, only usually needing to work on top ends and peripherals, which is why I felt it necessary to follow the manual procedures closely. I feel I can be excused not spotting the omitted shaft and pinions.

And maybe I'm mistaken but I can find nowhere in the manual that relates to re-installing the other elements of the starter crossover gear train, the only thing dealt with being the starter motor itself. Sorry but I think its piss poor of Haynes to forget so much information from the rebuild procedures. How the hell is a reader supposed to trust a manual that can't get the sequence right or miss build elements out? And I find it hard to believe that nobody, in the early years following release of the first manuals, reported the ommision to Haynes Group. But shamefully they didn't bother to reprint, because my manual is a 1990 edition, so well after these models went out of production.

Just wanted to vent my frustrations guys. Thanks reading my verbose rant.

PS: I spotted that CH.1/6, line 5, refers to a bolt at the front of the cyl head when it is actually at the rear of the head. So, does anyone know of any other Haynes errors I need to be aware of when rebuilding the motor, so I don't fall foul again?
 
I've never read it, but others claim it's about the best manual out there for our engines. At the least it'll beat the hell out of your current manual.
A bit spendy, but well worth it I'm told.

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I've always found Haynes and/or Clymer to be sketchy at best. Somewhat useful if you basically know what you are doing and can spot obvious errors, but not a great idea for beginners.
ok, beginner with total XS motor rebuilds I will grant you, but not with motor rebuilds per se. I've done a few British motors in my time, as well as a number of car motors, just not so familiar with the innards of the XS motor, so missed the unfamiliar shaft and pinions sitting with other bits on my shelf, till too late. Shame Haynes didn't do their job properly is all.
 
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Factory service manuals are as good as it gets. If you have mechanical experience with motors. They can be found on E-Bay.
fully agree. Used to have the Suzuki GSXR1100 workshop manual and used it many times, till it was full of oily fingerprints. Great manual. Wasn't aware they were still knocking about for the XS. Will keep my eyes open.
 
I have a good PDF copy of that '75-'77 manual. In fact, I think it's the one IBALT found. It's too large to upload here
(133mb), but if you PM me your email addy, I can send you a copy.
When I checked, astonishingly, the official manual makes no mention of the cross shaft assembly (that I could see). Manual talks about the Bendix gear and overhaul of the start motor. But forgets about the cross shaft. The cynic in me is wondering if that's why it's missing from the Haynes book too?
 
Bad that the Haynes manual doesn't mention that starter shaft, very odd that the factory manual doesn't mention it either. It's almost like they drafted the original manual for the XS1, then when later models have come along with the 'afterthought' starter, it never dawned on them to update the crankcase assembly section of the manual. And never noticed the omission. And the error has been perpetuated by Haynes.
 
Bad that the Haynes manual doesn't mention that starter shaft, very odd that the factory manual doesn't mention it either. It's almost like they drafted the original manual for the XS1, then when later models have come along with the 'afterthought' starter, it never dawned on them to update the crankcase assembly section of the manual. And never noticed the omission. And the error has been perpetuated by Haynes.
Sounds like a fair assessment that. They have updated the manuals and included the starter Bendix, the starter gears and overhauling the starter motor itself. But there's definitely a blind spot where reassembling the crankcases is concerned.
 
In the 90's a young friend of mine was doing a top end job on his 78 Bonnyville using a Haynes manual, the Haynes motto at the time was Go Haynes ! , his motto was Go Haynes.. . Go get another manual.
 
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FYI, my Haynes manual stated torque values for the sprocket of my MT07 about 50% too high....
Amusingly, my GS Haynes book has the list of torque figures somewhere in the front.
For 6mm bolts somebody has entered the figure for 8mm bolts.
Oh what fun many people must have had, merrily stripping their camcover threads.
 
Yamaha would typically publish a supplement to a more comprehensive original manual. Sometimes the supp. had model updates like the new elec. starter mechanisms. Yamaha had update meetings for technicians to reveal new model changes and how to fix last year's issues and tips like "put the shaft and gear in first" would be mentioned. Obviously Clymer just copied the original. Service manuals always arrived AFTER the models were in the dealerships.
 
Yamaha would typically publish a supplement to a more comprehensive original manual. Sometimes the supp. had model updates like the new elec. starter mechanisms. Yamaha had update meetings for technicians to reveal new model changes and how to fix last year's issues and tips like "put the shaft and gear in first" would be mentioned. Obviously Clymer just copied the original. Service manuals always arrived AFTER the models were in the dealerships.
Mine's a Haynes manual, which I suspect simply copied the Yamaha Workshop Manual text, so missed any reference to the starter train, though if you look closely at the photos in the manual you can see the srarter gear setup, and the crankcase in the photos is the 72 onwards lower crankcase seeing how it caters for a starter motor.
In the electrics section, at the back of the manual, is an exploded view of the starter gear train, but no text for installation, and in any case its not the section where you would expect to find info on this install.
 
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