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Talking with my daughter today about heritage, who we are, and her, if any, interest in where we come from.

Mayby it is an age thing with time on our hands to seek out heritage/geneoligy but learning or hearing stories of my father and his father with family history has always intrigued me.

As my daughter says she doesn't think about it to much having 3 children, 8, 6 and 3 her time is taken up with the 3 and at the age where life is running at 110 mph with mortgages ECT.

Got me doing a bit more research myself. 3 grandparents came from Scotland and the 4th from Wales. Can you imagine trying to get a loan from them. 3 have long pockets and the 4th would welch on the deal, so you would think I would have inherited a lot of genéational wealth. Proberbly buried their money and forgot to tell anyone on their deathbed.

Any ways my surname is linked to the clan Gun this is our broach with the Gun Tartan. Scottish tartens are the colours and patterns their kilts, (some might call them skirts if they were brave, or more to the point, foolish enough), that distinguished clans.
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Doiing a search it appears the clan gun is from Vikings when they came to Scotland.

My grandparents on my father's side are from the Banff, Elgin, and Inverness area.

Extract from Earl of Orkney.

Earl of Orkney, historically Jarl of Orkney, is a title of nobility encompassing the archipelagoes of Orkney and Shetland, which comprise the Northern Isles of Scotland. Originally founded by Norse invaders, the status of the rulers of the Northern Isles as Norwegian vassals was formalised in 1195. Although the Old Norse term jarl is etymologically related to "earl", and the jarls were succeeded by earls in the late 15th century, a Norwegian jarl is not the same thing.[2] In the Norse context the distinction between jarls and kings did not become significant until the late 11th century[3] and the early jarls would therefore have had considerable independence of action until that time. The position of Jarl of Orkney was eventually the most senior rank in medieval Norway except for the king himself.
The jarls were periodically subject to the kings of Alba for those parts of their territory in what is now mainland Scotland (i.e. Caithness and Sutherland).

What does this have to do with my sir name. Maybe nothing but maybe where it originated.

As names in times could be derived from a trade, or how one made a living and different spelling that changed over time, it becomes a guessing game with the added fun of deciding on a nobility story or a not so savoury story.

The journey continues... Follow along or like those that were looking for a loan decided long pockets were a reach to far
 
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I find genealogy fascinating, not only for meself but for others who have taken a deep dive in.
I have to keep in mind that for every generational step back you double the amount of people you're descended from. Ten generations and you have over a thousand people you can draw from.

As more people submit their DNA to these services their biometrics can shift a bit giving ancestral changes and upgrades.

On mums side it's Scot-Irish with a wee bit of Scandinavian and then Mecklenburg Prussian. Prussian immigrants in the 1860's and the Ulster Irish in the late 1800's
Pops side goes back to colonial times here in the good ol' USA......in fact pre USA. Swede and Finn settlers sent to the Swedish Colony on the Delaware. Some there might have been a choice between jail or the new Colony.
Enter the term "Burn beaters" here.

Then came the English invasion with Willie Penn, 1680's. Penn was entertained at one of my Swede/Finn ancestors home when he came to establish Pennsylvania and another one of my ancestors helped negotiate the Penn Treaty with the local Lenape, him being in charge of the native trade for the Swede Colony.
Enter the term "Religious Freedom" here.

Adding the English Quakers into the genetic mix has led to some interesting finds. One branch goes back to an individual that signed on to the death warrant for Charles I. He was then hung, drawn and quartered when Charles II took the Crown. Another was burnt at the stake by Bloody Mary at Canterbury, this may be the generational disdain that my GG grandmother had for all things catholic. Dad oft said that Nana would be rolling in her grave if she knew he was dating a catholic girl. Dad was raised by Nana and Grand pop for a time during a family transition. Binging a girl to the house he would be drawn aside by Nana and asked if she was one of "those" and then she'd make the catholic sign of the cross. Too funny.
There was another English branch where one of the Matriarchs was martyrd at the Tower of York for her Quaker beliefs. Does York have a tower? Dunno.

Summing it all up with the highest percentages first.
English, Scot, German, Irish, Welsh, Dane/Swede and Finn. Northwestern European at 99%. Thinking that 1% is Eastern European, either coming in on the Prussian or the Finn.
All that and a buck two fifty will get ya a coffee to go at the Quik Stop.
Fun stuff.
 
Bloody Normans, causing trouble everywhere they went.
Look closely at Scottish / English / Welsh history, who exactly were struggling for power amongst themselves.
Any time after 1066 would be good.
 
If your not interested in posting about ancestry, don't post. This thread is not about conquest in general. Not about grievances.

British isles were a part of Europe, a joined landmass, so as to Norman's Scott's, Welsh or English at one time they were all huntergatheres wandering around the whole of the continent of Modern day Europe.

https://theconversation.com/geologi...ted-from-europe-and-it-was-catastrophic-75636
 
Mum was a Genie for a living after she retired being a school teacher. We're from Clan Donald of the Isles through her maternal line & they were at the Battle of Culloden. It's amazing the things she found along the way, a First Fleet Convict & a couple more on following voyages, a gold mine hero who went back down the ladder to help a workmate who fell down the ladder after the charges had been set, dragged him to a side tunnel & shielded him when the charge went off & then carried him up the ladder to the surface, lots of interesting stuff.
 
British isles were a part of Europe, a joined landmass, so as to Norman's Scott's, Welsh or English at one time they were all huntergatheres wandering around the whole of the continent of Modern day Europe.

https://theconversation.com/geologi...ted-from-europe-and-it-was-catastrophic-75636

Gedmatch, another site you can download your results to, has search features that can show the hunter/gatherer percentages along with the agriculture/pastoralists.
45% European hunter-gatherer
55% agriculture-pastoralist. Thinking the ag-pastoralist are attributed to the Yanmaya and Bell-Beaker "invasion".
Then there's the Neanderthal and Denisovan genes lurking deep down, pre-dating the Younger-Dryas event 12,000 years ago that opened the glaciated north.
Gedmatch does work with law enforcement when they're searching for familial DNA to solve cases, which they have. You can opt out.
On who you are.......
In a matriarchal society you are what your mother is/was. Looks like Irish for me here.
My paternal haplogroup goes back to a genetic mutation (lol) that shows strong in Jutland where the Celts and Cimbri started their migration into the body of Western Europe . Dane? Probably related to some of those bog bodies they find up there......
 
If your not interested in posting about ancestry, don't post. This thread is not about conquest in general. Not about grievances.

British isles were a part of Europe, a joined landmass, so as to Norman's Scott's, Welsh or English at one time they were all huntergatheres wandering around the whole of the continent of Modern day Europe.

https://theconversation.com/geologi...ted-from-europe-and-it-was-catastrophic-75636
Hey, I'm descended from the troublemaking bastards, so I've got every right to comment on them.
Shove that in your pipes.
 
MacRae Clan here - Scottish heritage traced back to 1033.... I'm Directly descended from "Duncan of the Battleaxe", Constable of Eilean Donan Castle, and my Grandfather's cousin wrote "In Flanders Fields". MacRaes on my Dad's side and Turnbulls on my Mom's.
I decided to make my own Shield & Arms, combining the accepted MacRae shield with a few details of my own - the 3 Maple Leaves showing 3 generations of us serving in the Canadian Military, the Eagle showing I was in the RCAF, and the "Turning Bull" as a play on my Mom's last name (Turnbull). And yes - that's me in my MacRae tartan Kilt....
 

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