Clutch Case Leak

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Also... I like to use the closed end of the socket.... the end the ratchet goes in. Set that on the seal, set a piece of wood on the socket, and tap away....
Using the closed end lessens the chance of damaging the seal... 'though admittedly, chances are small either way.... just the way I learned I guess.
 

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Should the seal go all the way down to the ridge that is inside the kickstarter shaft opening?
If by ridge you mean the flange at the bottom of the hole, yes... the seal should bottom out.


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Now I screwed the pooch. Trying to get the case back on I pulled out the kick start shaft. I think I followed the directions I the Clymer manual to get it back in correctly, but it seems that the kick start gear should be further in the case? Does this look correct?
 

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That's a very early case design that I'm not real familiar. It doesn't appear that the "wishbone" spring is fully back into the slot.
 

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Is the wishbone supposed to be that far back when it is "relaxed?" When it is that far back the kickstart gear is engaged. Should the gear be engaged when putting the cover back on? I guess I don't understand where the kick stopper should be when it is in it's "recessed area." The wish bone keeps moving out of its proper slot.
 
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I was hoping an actual XS1 expert would chime in. This serves as a bump if not helpful - lol.
Have you pre-loaded the assy. before fully seating it?
 

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Now I screwed the pooch. Trying to get the case back on I pulled out the kick start shaft. I think I followed the directions I the Clymer manual to get it back in correctly, but it seems that the kick start gear should be further in the case? Does this look correct?
@gggGary might be able to help you.
 

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Sorry jpdevol. Not sure what you mean by pre-loaded the assembly.
Ya wanna hook the torsion spring over its catch then rotate the shaft assy. counterclockwise - then push it on in.
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The 70 doesnt have the snap ring so its fun getting every thing to behave while installing ..
 

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Thanks 5twins. Going to try again this weekend when I have time.

Since I’m deep into it anyways, I removed the two screws on the oil filter cover to check things out but the cover is not moving. What’s the trick here and why would the cover just not slip off if you remove the screws?
 

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Because someone probably applied gasket sealer to it's gasket. That's a real no-no. Jeez, you think someone who supposedly specializes in "restoring" these would know that. Somewhere on the site here are posts about making a "special tool" to remove that little cover when it's stuck. I think gggGary made one, maybe he'll chime in here.
 

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I use a large flat screwdriver or other flat metal piece. in the slot at the edge if done carefully it wont make marks and a soft hammer rubber or wood.
tapping the cover eventually getting it to move.
Shift sides ..around the cover ..
Not sure if I remember correctly but it is free to move a little sideways ..so using the wedge force of the screwdriver can get it loose
Again carefully not making marks .
I am not used to work with "Mint " machines so marks are everywhere from the start,
 

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Hi Tristan, I've just found this thread. Your experience of buying a bike and finding that not everything the seller said is true is unfortunately not unique. The nice little runner I bought was anything but.

Don't read this thread https://www.xs650.com/threads/miss-november-xs2-tribute.55057/post-597732 because it's too long and not fully relevant.

Best advice I can offer is to look forward instead of looking back. Think about why you bought the1970 XS1. This bike will get there but as you've already learned it is going to take some work and some money you didn't plan for to become the bike you wanted.

On the plus side, you will learn stuff. Gives you well-deserved confidence knowing how the bike is put together, how it works and that you can fix it. And when you have the bike fixed and you ride it, the sense of ownership, involvement and achievement will more than compensate.
 

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Because someone probably applied gasket sealer to it's gasket. That's a real no-no. Jeez, you think someone who supposedly specializes in "restoring" these would know that. Somewhere on the site here are posts about making a "special tool" to remove that little cover when it's stuck. I think gggGary made one, maybe he'll chime in here.
Man oh man. And there is a gasket for the cover as well as for the oil filter element?
 

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Hi Tristan, I've just found this thread. Your experience of buying a bike and finding that not everything the seller said is true is unfortunately not unique. The nice little runner I bought was anything but.

Don't read this thread https://www.xs650.com/threads/miss-november-xs2-tribute.55057/post-597732 because it's too long and not fully relevant.

Best advice I can offer is to look forward instead of looking back. Think about why you bought the1970 XS1. This bike will get there but as you've already learned it is going to take some work and some money you didn't plan for to become the bike you wanted.

On the plus side, you will learn stuff. Gives you well-deserved confidence knowing how the bike is put together, how it works and that you can fix it. And when you have the bike fixed and you ride it, the sense of ownership, involvement and achievement will more than compensate.
Thanks Raymond. I am trying to keep a positive attitude and I am definitely learning new things and getting out of my comfort zone. Not having garage space and all the things (a lift) that would make this all go easier doesn’t help with the frustration level and my lower back and knees (no spring chicken here), so things are slow going.

I’ve had the bike a several weeks now and ridden it around the block only a couple times. Haven’t even registered it yet (the bike came from out of state) because it needs to be inspected in person at the DMV. And I know I even have more work ahead - chain needs to be adjusted as it’s way too loose, and the front brake didn’t even stop the bike from rolling off the shipper’s ramp. Two more things I am unfamiliar with. At the current rate it may not be until the end of year holidays until I really get to take the bike out for a spin!
 

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Yes, there are two gaskets, one for the cover and one under the filter itself. But, if yours is a very early model, you may have an o-ring on the cover instead of the gasket .....

https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/yamaha/motorcycle/1970/xs1/crankcase-cover-right

If it's not stuck too badly, you might try two Philips screwdrivers, one stuck in each screw hole, and try to give the cover a twist to break it free.

I change out these two gaskets when I first get one of these but after that, hardly ever. They last darn near forever. I use no sealer on them, just coat them with motor oil. To insure a seal, you'll need to get every last little bit of the old gasket off. Plain old paint stripper is good for this. It pretty much melts the old gasket away.
 
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