Cylinder Base O-rings

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So, I'm in the process of putting my tracker together and just got my top-end buttoned up yesterday. Like a dumbass I forgot to install the red cylinder base o-rings. I'm trying rationalize and talk myself out of tearing the whole thing down again, 'cause I would really rather not; it's not just the time, but the Yamabond on the rocker carrier and the copper spray I used on the head and base gaskets. So I thought I would get some opinions.

It's been a while since this topic has been discussed... I did my best to use the search tool before posting, but didn't find a definitive answer. This is the best thread I could find:

https://www.xs650.com/threads/fit-new-o-rings-to-each-cylinder-spigot.5492/post-57196

I guess I have some reservations as to the o-rings' stated purpose.

The most common explanation is that they prevent oil from wicking up between the liner and the block casting and affecting heat transfer, but if there is a space wide enough for oil to get in there, then if there isn't oil, there must be air, and oil is better at heat transfer than air. "Fretting" could only be an issue if the liner is not constrained vertically, but there is a shoulder at the top of the liner that is held in place by the block and the head, so it can't go anywhere.

Or, maybe they're just there as an extra measure against leaks.

I guess I'd like to hear from anyone who has actual experience with this either way: like, "I left the o-rings out and my cylinder base leaks like a sieve" or "I left the o-rings out and my engine overheated and scored the cylinders", or "I've built a half-dozen of these motors without the o-rings and never had an issue".

If it makes any difference, this is not going to be a daily rider; I have bigger motorcycles that aren't 45 years old for that. This is a toy that will be lucky to see 30 miles at a time and 500 miles a year going to shows, bike nights, poker runs and doing wheelies in front of the house 'till the Chief of Police tells me to stop.

Thoughts?
 
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Thoughts?
I'm in the over engineered camp. All things considered, I don't think they do much at all. The center between the two liners is open at the top case, so there's no earthly way they'll ever seal correctly if they are installed. And if they do leak... where's it gonna go, up tween the liners and the cylinder block? And what's that gonna hurt? Nothing that I can see. i always install 'em when I do a top, but if I forgot 'em, no... I wouldn't pull it back apart just for that.

My opinion, of course... ymmv.
 
Oh man. I had this happen, but I realized the error after I had put the cylinder block on but not the head. Ended up removing the block, and then setting it back on by compressing the rings from the bottom. If I were you, I would send it as it is. If anything, you will be able to add a valuable data point for the community :)
 
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When we say "install".... are we actually pushing these into the grooves or just laying between the groove and the gasket, and it installs itself when the cylinder is on? I forget what I did last time I had the cylinder off, if I know myself I just put in on top of the groove and it let it seat iself.
 
When we say "install".... are we actually pushing these into the grooves or just laying between the groove and the gasket, and it installs itself when the cylinder is on? I forget what I did last time I had the cylinder off, if I know myself I just put in on top of the groove and it let it seat iself.
Either way works fine.
 
Every other o-ring groove I've ever encountered is wider than the cross-section diameter of the o-ring and shallower. These seem to be different; I've tried to push the o-ring into the groove but it started "earth-worming" if that makes any sense.
 
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it. It's questionable whyit even needs to be there in the first place. The 750 big bore jugs don't have one... no groove or o-ring. Still not sure why Yamaha put it there. If you look at the cases, there's nothing backing it up for about 25% of liner circumference anyway...
 
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