And the US Govt. has commissioned several new icebreaker's and is opening a new drydock/assembly port to build more icebreaker's
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Do we care about the enviroment !!! ????
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Charles13
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It is surely a short cut for China, Europe and Russia to access our gas if we can ever build a pipeline, but with the ice getting worse it’s not good. Ice breakers are the only solution
Apparently?? No, the ice cap is not getting bigger, ships still run aground though.
" The stranded ship, general cargo vessel MV Thamesborg, "unexpectedly ran aground off Prince of Wales Island, Nunavut, Canada," while transiting the Franklin Strait on Saturday, according to a statement shared Monday with Newsweek by owner Wagenborg, a global maritime logistics firm based in the Netherlands."
https://www.newsweek.com/rescue-mission-underway-freighter-stuck-notorious-arctic-sea-route-2126614
Run aground, and "frozen in place" as you put it, are two entirely different things.
Not sure where you got that info from, but perhaps you should consider a better news source?
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Might be the wrong place for this, but I recently read Sabine Hossenfelder's Existential Physics. Along with that video, confirms Sabine's status as an iconoclast of modern fundamental physics.
Charles13
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It was on Canadian news; they had a video of it completely frozen in so… I’m sure many more than I also saw that video
Edit: the ship was navigating sea ice up to .8 meters thick with the help of an icebreaker
https://nunatsiaq.com/stories/article/ice-class-cargo-ship-runs-aground-in-northwest-passage/
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Yeah good old media outlets using stock photos, and and implying "truth"
Watched enough of a maritime incidents yootoober report to think there was no ice in the area.
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Canadian Coast Guard photo of the ship resting on the bottom. Nary a whiff of sea ice.
Hubba.
I find brainy women hawt.
1 million gallons of water per day.
Google data/Ai centre.
Google data/Ai centre.
Use, but it's not like it disappears They clean the crap out of it add some heat and discharge it again. MEH. Chip foundries are a trickier bit. But they also recycle 97% ish of the water they use. The rest released as vapor into the air, hardly a horror?
https://www.12news.com/article/news...-fabs/75-bddc3623-b247-408f-a618-19055456009d
"How much water do chipmaking plants consume?
Each plant only consumes a fraction of the water it is supplied with.
TSMC's Central Taiwan Science Park, for example, uses 3.3% of its daily allocation, or around 4.9 acre-feet of water per year. The Southern Taiwan Science Park and the Hsinchu Science Park use 5 acre-feet of water and 5.7 acre-feet of water daily, respectively.
The reason behind the minimal consumption is thanks to recycled water.
"A smart recycled water management mechanism can dynamically allocate and supply recycled water, instead of city water, to other production units," the 2019 TSMC report said.
TSMC isn't the only company with a high water return. Intel, which has a chipmaking plant in Chandler, said recycling water is a major focus for the company.
"In 2021, Intel actually returned and restored more than 95% of the water that we use here," Intel representative Linda Qian said.
"We're really able to do a fantastic job at reusing and recycling the water that we're taking in from the City of Chandler. We reuse it and recycle it before returning it back to the city for further use."
Arizona is the place to be for water innovation
The two coming TSMC Arizona plants are also said to be the "greenest semiconductor manufacturing facility in the United States," the company said in a press release.
It is in the planning stages for creating an on-site industrial water reclamation plant that would reportedly allow the plants to achieve "near zero liquid discharge," meaning that the plants' water supply would essentially be a closed loop, and would only need a minimal water supply from cities to run.
Westerhoff believes the development would revolutionize the semiconductor industry, as the reclamation plant would be a first-of-its-kind technology. It would be another moment in Arizona's long water innovation history."
Lying, gross exaggeration to stop economic development a typical tactic that often as not alienates the masses.
In general computing related industry will have a high net positive for the environment as it's all about increasing efficiency.
Some will say the power needed to pump/desalinate/filter/treat the cooling water used is more than any report.
They won't or have no clue.
Sorry to be the devil's advocate, but true.
Net benefits? Probably.
Yup power use a much different issue.
Focus on "issue" (God, I hate that word)
It's a problem, or not a problem.
do we care about the environment is the the question
ok, i feel better now
About ice in water .. It might move with wind and current .. So it can be gone and then come back in Pack ice
Drift ice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_ice
pack ice.[1] Wind and currents can pile up that ice to form ridges up to dozens of metres in thickness. These represent a challenge for icebreakers and offshore structures operating in cold oceans and seas.
I don't believe it is possible to keep it open should it become severe The danger is and has been , The vessel can get stuck en route .. And sits there .There are different classes ships
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_ice#/media/File:Kontio_towing.jpg
But for the deliveries it can be stuck and smaller vessels can get dragged down
the literal translation perhaps not good " Boat gets screwed Down "
And rescue can cost a lot of money
Even if there is a global warming true or not there will be a Harsh Winter now and then as I see it :Ships get stuck deliveries delayed and some vessels getting screwed down That will affect the profitability And planing for manufacturing.
I vaguely remember hearing of these problems on the Northeast passage Maybe only used in the summer.
Drift ice
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_ice
pack ice.[1] Wind and currents can pile up that ice to form ridges up to dozens of metres in thickness. These represent a challenge for icebreakers and offshore structures operating in cold oceans and seas.
I don't believe it is possible to keep it open should it become severe The danger is and has been , The vessel can get stuck en route .. And sits there .There are different classes ships
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drift_ice#/media/File:Kontio_towing.jpg
But for the deliveries it can be stuck and smaller vessels can get dragged down
the literal translation perhaps not good " Boat gets screwed Down "
And rescue can cost a lot of money
Even if there is a global warming true or not there will be a Harsh Winter now and then as I see it :Ships get stuck deliveries delayed and some vessels getting screwed down That will affect the profitability And planing for manufacturing.
I vaguely remember hearing of these problems on the Northeast passage Maybe only used in the summer.
And I have issues with problem.
An issue is subject to negotiation and amelioration.
Where a problem is more about finger pointing?
I'm not able to say I don't want electronic advancements chips computing etal.
Even worse is paying some other country to do the development/ manufacturing.
We tend to lack patience these days.
Elon customers that bought early version FSD are screaming that they may not get the latest version. even those that bought instead of paying a monthly fee. Of course 5-6 years on the hardware is now much different also.
V14 is due out next week. Musk claims by V14.2 or 3 you're going to think your car is sentient.
Robotaxi and even more so robo-delivery is going to change our existence.
I will get back on the data cooling post a little later.
It's not about a resource, (electricity), where the making of that resource, can change. We are doing that. Well most of the world is, unfortunately the US has reversed away from it. decided not to.
It's about a finite resource that is being stressed further for technology.
It's not about a resource, (electricity), where the making of that resource, can change. We are doing that. Well most of the world is, unfortunately the US has reversed away from it. decided not to.
It's about a finite resource that is being stressed further for technology.
Charles13
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I was watching the news and a representative from the band that owns both the rail line and the port in Churchill Manitoba was saying how the deep water port has less traffic now than it did 100 years ago?