Do we care about the enviroment !!! ????

Saving electric I am out at nights sometimes driving and notice many places have electric light all night .No one there
A company parking lot have many lamps and no one there .. Not many meters between them
if not all of them .at least 3 of 4 could be off
Same at the Country side .Remote buildings no one there awake at night
Still have lights on

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Turning off every other street light is a measure that several Swedish municipalities have taken to save energy and reduce costs, especially during periods of high electricity prices or tight budgets.

cold winter nights minus 10- 15 Celsius or lower
hard to see reason have the lights on --- not many people stand there freezing anyway in the middle of the night.
this is when energy can be most expensive
 
Jan_P said:
Saving electric I am out at nights sometimes driving and notice many places have electric light all night .No one there
A company parking lot have many lamps and no one there .. Not many meters between them
if not all of them .at least 3 of 4 could be off
Same at the Country side .Remote buildings no one there awake at night
Still have lights on

Machine translation

Turning off every other street light is a measure that several Swedish municipalities have taken to save energy and reduce costs, especially during periods of high electricity prices or tight budgets.

cold winter nights minus 10- 15 Celsius or lower
hard to see reason have the lights on --- not many people stand there freezing anyway in the middle of the night.
this is when energy can be most expensive
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Security. The better lit a place is, the less crime occurs there.
 
Jan_P said:
Saving electric I am out at nights sometimes driving and notice many places have electric light all night .No one there
A company parking lot have many lamps and no one there .. Not many meters between them
if not all of them .at least 3 of 4 could be off
Same at the Country side .Remote buildings no one there awake at night
Still have lights on
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It's a smilar situation in Great Britain. The UK Govt was an early adopter - in some eyes - of putting Climate Change measures into Law. So they have targets for Net Zero CO2 and intermediate targets. And targets to ban sales of new ICE vehicles. And public bodies are already sposed to adopt it all now.

Public and local authorities and all are sposed to trying as hard as they jolly well can to reduce wasted energy & reduce emissions. But loads of places have security lights or floodlit empty carparks or office buildings with lights on, every floor. And street lights almost everywhere - one that gets my goat is the street lights they have along some stretches of out-of-town roads, places with 60 limits, I'l be motoring along, evening, after dark, and there's all these bright street lights, which they just replaced at huge cost to go from neon to LED, to save money no doubt, but there might be no traffic apart from meself and mebbe the odd car or van coming t'other way, so why the lights? That's a rhetorical question.

Crossed in post with @Wordman - yes security gets put forward BUT I live in the Scottish Borders where there's more sheep than people. The rural population is spread very thin. Not saying there's no rural crime but
 
Wordman said:
Security. The better lit a place is, the less crime occurs there.
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I hear you but we dont have that much crimes And it is difficult commit crimes if pitch black .
I suppose it is a personal feeling but if dark one have the possibility to hide behind a bush or so
The Police have had problems with gang shootings drug gangs are hiring shooters underage taking the job shooting
Almost anyone
Heard a rumour that they rarely get payed .Dont know
Now this winter January Up North extreme cold So besides the silence from the Global Heating crowd
Besides the protest about the electricity bill
Not many was loitering outdoors that much -- cold freezing the nuts off.

The police under pressure Under criticism not deliver --- tried to portray it as a success, an effect of their successful actions
But gangsters cannot shoot anyone if they are not out and moving that easy and few moving one attracts attention .
So the police was talking BS It was the climate ..

There was no shootings for a while . Now it is OK Corall again .. some gang hade stolen others cocain allegedly and now they are shooting it out
+ 10 000 000 US $ at stake allegedly lot of money hiring shooters
Realtives not involved in crimes Killed ... .
I Assume that is better in USA fire the lazy cop

Yes to the Office builidings having lights on all night Work 8 to 5 just flip the Svitch --- last man going home how hard can it be.
Motion detectors and theft alarm solves the rest if there is anything of value.

I remember working constructuion we often opted to hide the toolboxes third floor or so under a pile of Air conditiond ducts
No one climbed in there dark nights finding it darkness reduced that crime.
Sometimes it can be so ..
Wheras construction sheds at the basemnet was opened with a crowbar and tools stolen.
But can be different today
 
Raymond said:
Crossed in post with @Wordman - yes security gets put forward BUT I live in the Scottish Borders where there's more sheep than people. The rural population is spread very thin. Not saying there's no rural crime but
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I agree with you. I also think the real solution to crime is actually putting criminals in jail, but...

Frankly, I think we need a whole lot less lighting everywhere.
 
Regarding indoors lighting vs energy usage, turning lights off, or leaving them on depends on whether the building is heated or not, and how. Most of the energy used by any lamp, is lost as heat to the surroundings. So if a purely electric heating system is thermostat controlled, then turning off the lights just means the heating system will increase its energy consumption by the same amount as turning off the lights saved.
If the heating is via heat pump, then turning off the lights saves energy.
In airconditioned buildings, turning off lights is double effective, as the ac will not have to deal with the heat from lights.
 
Don't listen to me. Here is someone who has seen the change, recorded it and lived it.

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https://www.facebook.com/reel/1961999821352047/?referral_source=profile_reels_tab
 
On the other side. There's more than 1 opinion. Some are actually based in science
The latest Ice core samples that went back millions of years were done by actual scientists. not
politician's.
That reality should spark real outrage. Billions in taxpayer dollars have gone into green energy boondoggles, all justified by the promise of stopping catastrophic climate change.
https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/u...s-doomsday-climate-scenarios-were-implausible
 
gunk said:
On the other side. There's more than 1 opinion. Some are actually based in science
The latest Ice core samples that went back millions of years were done by actual scientists. not
politician's.
That reality should spark real outrage. Billions in taxpayer dollars have gone into green energy boondoggles, all justified by the promise of stopping catastrophic climate change.
https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/u...s-doomsday-climate-scenarios-were-implausible
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I guess there will always be some disagreement between scientists and their findings. However, even if we disregard completely any global warming, we still have to deal with a finite amount of resources. So it would make sense, at least in my opinion, to be a bit more conservative with our (over)consumption of said resources.
For example, do people really NEED a 1 ton pickup or a massive SUV just to shop groceries or transport 1 or 2 people? Do people need to go on cruise ship holidays, or fly overseas for a week or two of holiday? Why is there no actual public transport in a city like Houston, when Tokyo and Japan as a whole has great public transport systems. There is a lot to be said for modesty when it comes to all kinds of consumption.
 
I agree with the above, however I live in a country that has declared war on renewable energy in favor of fossil fuel. We have benefited from cheap energy for most of my life , if we don't count the trillions of tax dollars spent and wars fought to keep oil moving around the world . I suspect that the countries that deliberately pursue renewable energy will be better off in the long run.
 
Just me 2 pence worth, if that.

Everything is renewable. One cannot create or destroy it.
May take bucks or pounds or francs, lira, yuan, pesos or quid to recover, but isn't that what we are doing now?

Pollution is everywhere, even my shit sinks, but the solution is dilution until there is a profit to recycle.
 
DaveO said:
Yeah, but everything that is possible is not necessarily practical. Most of this stuff is just gaslighting to keep us arguing about how to make the unworkable (wind and solar) work.
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Yes, but if we don’t keep trying stuff we’ll never get anywhere. Lots of people want to buy in on new technologies proven or not. Just don’t force me into buying unproven tech that I don’t want. We’ll get there, or die trying.
 
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Currently, our grid is dependent upon maintaining frequency 60 or 50 cycles depending upon your global location. Maintaining this is critical due large transformers. Currently, this is best maintained with a base of nuclear or coal powered generators.
Supplemental energy from solar and wind is great except that they aren’t available when we need them most, like when it’s winter or summer and we want to be comfortable or not die from extreme weather.
 
jetmechmarty said:
Currently, our grid is dependent upon maintaining frequency 60 or 50 cycles depending upon your global location. Maintaining this is critical due large transformers. Currently, this is best maintained with a base of nuclear or coal powered generators.
Supplemental energy from solar and wind is great except that they aren’t available when we need them most, like when it’s winter or summer and we want to be comfortable or not die from extreme weather.
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Actually, hydro power is much more suitable then any other power generating technology for maintaining 50/60 hz. Nuclear, coal fired, gas fired, oil fired, geothermal all include thermodynamic processes that are not ideal for rapid load changes. Hydro power turbines are great at that, mostly only limited by potential dangerous oscillations in tailrace (waterway after turbine) and penstock (waterway, pipe or tunnel before turbine)
 
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