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Do we care about the enviroment !!! ????
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UN Climate Panel
Background:
“For more than a decade, as scientists tried to evaluate just how much the planet might warm by the end of the century, the most extreme scenario they considered in models was one in which humanity doubled down on burning of fossil fuels, took no action to limit emissions and suffered profound consequences as the world grew hotter…
“Now, as time has passed and the world has changed, the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change seems poised to retire its most extreme future emissions scenario, commonly known as RCP 8.5, after scientists found that those projections ‘have become implausible.’”
The Right argues:
“Harm has already been done… A Lancet study of 10,000 young people found that 59% are ‘very or extremely worried’ about climate change, with nearly half saying it affects their daily functioning… One in four Australian children aged 10 to 14 worried the world would end before they grew up… Morgan Stanley has warned investors that climate fear is measurably depressing fertility rates…
“RCP 8.5 was designed in 2011 not as a forecast but as a 90th-percentile worst-case stress test, built on assumptions its own modelers admitted were extreme… Scientists began warning it was implausible in 2017… This was not an honest mistake. It was a sustained choice — by scientists who knew the scenario was implausible after 2020 and kept using it, by journals that kept publishing, by media that kept framing it as the future, and by educators who built it into curricula as settled fact.”
Jason Isaac, Washington Examiner
https://climatechangedispatch.com/rcp85-dead-ipcc-climate-scenarios/
Background:
“For more than a decade, as scientists tried to evaluate just how much the planet might warm by the end of the century, the most extreme scenario they considered in models was one in which humanity doubled down on burning of fossil fuels, took no action to limit emissions and suffered profound consequences as the world grew hotter…
“Now, as time has passed and the world has changed, the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change seems poised to retire its most extreme future emissions scenario, commonly known as RCP 8.5, after scientists found that those projections ‘have become implausible.’”
The Right argues:
“Harm has already been done… A Lancet study of 10,000 young people found that 59% are ‘very or extremely worried’ about climate change, with nearly half saying it affects their daily functioning… One in four Australian children aged 10 to 14 worried the world would end before they grew up… Morgan Stanley has warned investors that climate fear is measurably depressing fertility rates…
“RCP 8.5 was designed in 2011 not as a forecast but as a 90th-percentile worst-case stress test, built on assumptions its own modelers admitted were extreme… Scientists began warning it was implausible in 2017… This was not an honest mistake. It was a sustained choice — by scientists who knew the scenario was implausible after 2020 and kept using it, by journals that kept publishing, by media that kept framing it as the future, and by educators who built it into curricula as settled fact.”
Jason Isaac, Washington Examiner
https://climatechangedispatch.com/rcp85-dead-ipcc-climate-scenarios/
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Yebbut, so what? It in no way absolves the energy companies from being shit heads.
A lot of people I come in contact with show very little to no concern for the environment or pollution in general . To them it doesn't effect them and certainly wasn't caused by them . The only way to advance acceptance of clean energy production and use is to convince them that it will lower power bills or at least slow the price increases and cost less money to get from one place to another.
Data is the answer to all questions, real data, now most times, if not all, by the time the effects from climate change is data tegistered, it is to late to to change something if it has hit a runaway effect. Can projections b made from the data. Yes, but, (always a but), that data has to b over a long period of time and in some cases, (as in the link below), it takes years to read and understand how to read the data.
I guess to an extent we want to believe what we think, me included though I like to think physical manifestations, observations by dedicated people with data collection can inform us.
If we take away the opertunity to inform us with collectable data because we don't want that information to clash with what we want, or are persuaded by money or want to control a narrative rather than b open to a possibility, then welcome to the, I believe, or want you to believe without the opertinity for debate due to the removal of collectable data.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...administration-ocean-observatories-initiative
Even if you don't want to believe in climate change, the removal of these bouys are going to impact on weather forecasting, Al-nino, La-nina, and when or where a hurricane is going to hit with less time warning before it hits your area.
This with the removal of atmospheric balloons and their data affects people in those areas prone to these natural disasters
I supose the good thing about this is I cannot now put up an argument that global warming is man made due to the lack of referencing data......I guess all of the naysayers are now right
I guess to an extent we want to believe what we think, me included though I like to think physical manifestations, observations by dedicated people with data collection can inform us.
If we take away the opertunity to inform us with collectable data because we don't want that information to clash with what we want, or are persuaded by money or want to control a narrative rather than b open to a possibility, then welcome to the, I believe, or want you to believe without the opertinity for debate due to the removal of collectable data.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...administration-ocean-observatories-initiative
Even if you don't want to believe in climate change, the removal of these bouys are going to impact on weather forecasting, Al-nino, La-nina, and when or where a hurricane is going to hit with less time warning before it hits your area.
This with the removal of atmospheric balloons and their data affects people in those areas prone to these natural disasters
I supose the good thing about this is I cannot now put up an argument that global warming is man made due to the lack of referencing data......I guess all of the naysayers are now right
One has to follow the money. Carbon credits were kicked off in the E.U. at 9 dollars a ton and handed to farmers. then a few yrs later after the farmers were acclimated to these valuable credits an investment company came along and offered 27 dollars/ton to buy them from the farmers Then they were raised to 35.00/ton. Toss in a book by some guy named Al gore that had zero climate knowledge background and his one alleged expert who was an insect biologist and al's "An Inconvenient Truth" book and world tour took off. Follow the money and you'll see that Al sold his IPCC International Panel on Climate Change to the W.E.F../ U.N. bunch for 15 million and it all went into high gear. Data is only as reliable as the person or association modelling and entering it into their latest computer programs and who funds the data studies. We are mere insects on this planet and will fade away in due time to be replaced by some other species in the evolutionary march. JMOData is the answer to all questions, real data, now most times, if not all, by the time the effects from climate change is data tegistered, it is to late to to change something if it has hit a runaway effect. Can projections b made from the data. Yes, but, (always a but), that data has to b over a long period of time and in some cases, (as in the link below), it takes years to read and understand how to read the data.
I guess to an extent we want to believe what we think, me included though I like to think physical manifestations, observations by dedicated people with data collection can inform us.
If we take away the opertunity to inform us with collectable data because we don't want that information to clash with what we want, or are persuaded by money or want to control a narrative rather than b open to a possibility, then welcome to the, I believe, or want you to believe without the opertinity for debate due to the removal of collectable data.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...administration-ocean-observatories-initiative
Even if you don't want to believe in climate change, the removal of these bouys are going to impact on weather forecasting, Al-nino, La-nina, and when or where a hurricane is going to hit with less time warning before it hits your area.
This with the removal of atmospheric balloons and their data affects people in those areas prone to these natural disasters
I supose the good thing about this is I cannot now put up an argument that global warming is man made due to the lack of referencing data......I guess all of the naysayers are now right
Found no information on your claim the EU emissions scheme was routed by an investment firm.
Without a link to back up the claim, I will give that a big pinocio.
Funny how Al Gore seems to b the brunt and excuse climate change is a hoxe. His information and influence coming from one person who was an insect biologist.
More big fat pinocio's
You want to follow money, follow the multinationals who's interests are contrey to a carbon, or emissions scheme because it will effect or cost them most. Find out how much their lobbyists pay to get close to right wing, and some of the left, officials to bribe or bully/threaten them to support them. How much they save when polluting the environment when abanding their obligations to clean up after themselves.
Keep blaming one person who made a film and wrote a book 25 years ago based on climate change caused by humans and fossil fuels.
My referenced post had nothing to do with yours using mine for your misinformation.
It was based on the removal of technology that was/is recording sea temperatures, sea current movements, atmospheric movements across the northern hemisphere. Been in place for 10 years and the data is just being understood, learning to understand how to interpret it actually and it is being removed because of one man.
Want to follow the money, read my link in my previous post. Not hard to figure out where it came from and whose pocket it is in
How oil companies are killing the environment and ground water
Not just a US problem, Canada, and in Australia they are still trying to regulate the oil companies into decommissioning. Fracking is still a hot debate
Not just a US problem, Canada, and in Australia they are still trying to regulate the oil companies into decommissioning. Fracking is still a hot debate
How colonial of them...
I'm going to resist diving into this extremely deep pool, but just have to say it makes me smile every time this thread pops to the surface with new content!
It is said that politics are verboten on this forum, yet there is almost no topic that has turned more deeply political than the environment, climate change, et al. This is mostly self-evident, but is also supported by the fact that most or many of the cited links are posted or hosted by people or organizations who, at many levels, have a decided agenda or axe to grind.
'Nuff said, no offense intended, my 2¢.
It is said that politics are verboten on this forum, yet there is almost no topic that has turned more deeply political than the environment, climate change, et al. This is mostly self-evident, but is also supported by the fact that most or many of the cited links are posted or hosted by people or organizations who, at many levels, have a decided agenda or axe to grind.
'Nuff said, no offense intended, my 2¢.
Getting rid of Wildlings
https://m.facebook.com/frankfilmnz/...duced-from-north-america-an/1498249658983055/
https://m.facebook.com/frankfilmnz/...duced-from-north-america-an/1498249658983055/
I'm going to resist diving into this extremely deep pool, but just have to say it makes me smile every time this thread pops to the surface with new content!
It is said that politics are verboten on this forum, yet there is almost no topic that has turned more deeply political than the environment, climate change, et al. This is mostly self-evident, but is also supported by the fact that most or many of the cited links are posted or hosted by people or organizations who, at many levels, have a decided agenda or axe to grind.
'Nuff said, no offense intended, my 2¢.
Yes it is political.
Long time ago Travis made the stipulation, or line in the sand, talking about things that can or are political can't be helped at times.
Stating a preference or promoting a party or political figure is a no no.
G's video on Australia's oil, or mine on the US, Canadian and Aus, problem dealing with the oil companies or information on the industry transcends several political parties over time. I don't see that as pointing a finger at one party or another and taking a side.
Pollution is usually a lack of political clout against the biggest polluters who are corporations holding govts to ransom with threats.
A view is welcome, just a I believe or disbelieve because I do doesn't add to a conversation, for my thinking that isn't welcome. Posting of links or verifiable information is encouraged.
Read my first post, I explained the idea and what I expected this thread to convey.
It's a difficult subject because it's important, affects all of us - even the deniers - there's huge amounts of money entailed and it's very political. In the deeply polarised world of social media and alternative facts, it's harder and harder to achieve any concensus even on what is happening to the world as an ecosystem, let alone doing anything about it. One possible future has humanity coming together to manage the planet better for all of us but another scenario has different responses in different parts of the world, competition where there should be co-operation and a drill, baby, drill attitude to making money even as human society flakes out under a desert Sun.