Do they actually recycle #5 plastics? I read or saw somewhere that hey didn't really, but if they do, I'll start putting those in my plstic recycling bin.
Thanks!
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Do they actually recycle #5 plastics? I read or saw somewhere that hey didn't really, but if they do, I'll start putting those in my plstic recycling bin.
Thanks!
Sending waste to other countries, for them to bury or burn, is just another scam for some unscuplious company to make money, the gov't doesn't do due diligence on oversight (till an expose exposes what is happening), an out of sight out of mind solution.
Who do we blame, the govt, the contractor, can't blame the country where it is sent.
PVC recycling
https://plasticranger.com/can-pvc-be-recycled/
Who do we blame, the govt, the contractor, can't blame the country where it is sent.
PVC recycling
https://plasticranger.com/can-pvc-be-recycled/
Latest from the science times.
Recycling plastics is a bit like any technology. The more it is developed the better the process, costs are lowered, it then becomes more economical as more companies get into the market.
That drive also comes from a governments attitude. If a govt refuses to allow a words like environment, climate change in their own vocabulary or literature that has the follow on effect in the population and companies attitude to recycling.
https://www.sciencetimes.com/articl...-research-breakthroughs-plastic-recycling.htm
Recycling plastics is a bit like any technology. The more it is developed the better the process, costs are lowered, it then becomes more economical as more companies get into the market.
That drive also comes from a governments attitude. If a govt refuses to allow a words like environment, climate change in their own vocabulary or literature that has the follow on effect in the population and companies attitude to recycling.
https://www.sciencetimes.com/articl...-research-breakthroughs-plastic-recycling.htm
We've had 40-plus years with all the "right" language, yet people are still hooked on cheap, disposable crap. The change ain't coming from government, it's going to have to come from people changing the way the live, and more importantly, the way they spend. I wish it weren't the case, but...
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It seems that some industry waste pvc gets recycled(according to info on the internet).
On the other hand, I’ve worked in construction and have not come across any contractors that recycled siding or pipe. I’ve personally witnessed the local power company sending massive quantities of plastic piping to landfill(mostly yellow gas pipe) but it begs the question, if the region’s largest utility service provider for LNG doesn’t recycle plastic, and the area’s construction contractors don’t, and curbside collection won’t even take those plastic types, who actually is recycling it?
Furthermore, upon inspection of those facilities(if they exist), would we find massive amounts of dispersed microplastics into the air and watershed from grinding materials into bits?
I know for a fact that the St Louis region’s largest municipal waste “recycler” Republic Services, contributes large quantities of plastic dust into the local environment and watershed.
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[It seems that some industry waste pvc gets recycled(according to info on the internet.]
According to info on the net?
In other words you don't believe the info in the link I posted.
Here is a link to a company recycling PVC plastics as well as other plastics,
https://www.plasticrecyclinghub.com.au/
and the Australian CSIRO, a govt Science, (something a lot of Americans and Australians have lost faith in after covid), organisation in Australia are working on 80% recycling PVC by 2030.
https://www.csiro.au/en/news/All/Articles/2022/March/pvc-recycling
[On the other hand, I’ve worked in construction and have not come across any contractors that recycled siding or pipe]
So what your saying is because you have not seen any attempt to recycle it doesn't happen. Maybe not in the US, where even the word "environmental" or "climate change" are removed from govt papers. But it is here as per previous links.
[Furthermore, upon inspection of those facilities(if they exist), would we find massive amounts of dispersed microplastics into the air and watershed from grinding materials into bits?]
On inspection of something, you don't believe exists, you ascertain they are polluting microplastics because they are not being responsible.
I haven't gone into the companies that are recycling plastics to ask if they are letting micro plastic dust polite the workplace or surrounding environment.
I am going to put my neck out and say when responsable recyclers crush the plastics, it is done in a sealed container to contain the dust.
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Yes and no. The info may be factual, but the presentation is deceptive.
According to online sources: Less than 10% of globally manufactured pvc is recycled; that number checks out with my experience. Online sources say less than 5% of post consumer pvc is recycled, that number seems optimistic, but “less than” gives it some leeway.
According to online sources: between 88-130Billion Lbs of pvc are produced annually.
The website you linked doesn’t mention that it’s production scale is larger than most people realize.
Meanwhile, regarding recycling, that webpage you linked states “the scale is larger than most people realize” and the US and Canada only recycle 1.1 billion lbs of that. EU sitting around 1.78 billion lbs of that.
According to online sources: China sits at the top, but they’re mostly “recycling” manufacturing scrap(they also are global leaders in manufacturing overall, maybe not in manufacturing PVC, the US is, but we also export more than anyone else, to who? We can go down the rabbit hole; but I’m sure a lot is going to China )and they’re also burning 31% of the stuff which is pretty toxic stuff to burn considering the chlorine in it.
To say it “can be recycled” with a dozen asterisks and fine print doesn’t make it believable that it’s doing the environment any favors to spin the story that way. Seems like more propaganda if you ask me
If 90+% of pvc getting “recycled” is industrial scrap straight from production lines, and less than 5% is post consumer, is that really recycling or just using the word recycling to describe an industrial waste repurposing technique?
Which brings up a good point: How many definitions do we accept for the word “recycling”
If it’s defined as something that can be done to a material at any stage in it’s production/consumption cycle to make it into a market value product, sure, we recycle the shit outta plastic.
If it’s defined as something that can be done over and over again to a material, bringing it back to a new condition, especially after being used for it’s intended purpose… we hardly recycle any plastic.
The US is one of the biggest perpetrators of this scam
gotta keep the economy growing
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MikeyDeepXS
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Another point: if 90% or better of “recycled” pvc is production scrap; and it gets turned into consumer products that are recycled at less than 5%, aren’t we just padding the numbers on how much gets “recycled”? Because it seems a whole lot to me like the number that matters on recycling is the after it’s used number, not the before it was ever sold to a customer as a finished product number.
What are you arguing about.
Seems anything I have posted indicates PVC recycling is in its infancy.
Earlier statements posted basically said it was not being done.
Sure the 1.1 billion being recycled by Canada and the US, combined is minuscule to what is produced. Seems to me it is a growing industry.
Could an argument b made the US doesn't want to Recycle PVC. If it lasts 60 years and has the possibility to b recycled up to 90% with another 60 year life span, then that is going to affect the oil companies bottom line.
You make statements quoting figures, going off past statements of hypotheticals that don't Aline with your experience on a construction site, your asking others to take your word for it based on what you have seen as an example there is no recycling.
That link you don't like points out how hard it is to recycle PVC due to how it is made or contaminants from use. It covers a lot of the variables, gives information that can b cross referenced. Not just a puff piece.
Where was the info that 90% of the recycled PVC is production scrap. Even if it was then stopping that scrap from landfill is the whole idea of recycling....that's what I understand how recycling works.
Seems anything I have posted indicates PVC recycling is in its infancy.
Earlier statements posted basically said it was not being done.
Sure the 1.1 billion being recycled by Canada and the US, combined is minuscule to what is produced. Seems to me it is a growing industry.
Could an argument b made the US doesn't want to Recycle PVC. If it lasts 60 years and has the possibility to b recycled up to 90% with another 60 year life span, then that is going to affect the oil companies bottom line.
You make statements quoting figures, going off past statements of hypotheticals that don't Aline with your experience on a construction site, your asking others to take your word for it based on what you have seen as an example there is no recycling.
That link you don't like points out how hard it is to recycle PVC due to how it is made or contaminants from use. It covers a lot of the variables, gives information that can b cross referenced. Not just a puff piece.
Where was the info that 90% of the recycled PVC is production scrap. Even if it was then stopping that scrap from landfill is the whole idea of recycling....that's what I understand how recycling works.
MikeyDeepXS
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How I understand plastic recycling works is:
Tell consumers things can be recycled, stick a pacifier in their mouth and say buy more shit you don’t need, we’ll recycle it.
Divert a fraction of that material from the landfill to become more plastic that a fraction of will be diverted from the landfill again.
What’s 10% of 10% of 10% of 10%
Is it really a worthwhile effort?
My argument is that it isn’t a worthwhile effort for the environment, the objective is to pacify consumers so they guiltlessly buy more shit.
Then buy stock.
I first saw a video of this concept in 2008. After crashing at least 2 computerz I can't find the original vid which even had a company in the far east selling the units. Decide for yourselves if this is true or not. Also quite a few more related videos in the sidebar with different applications of said concept.
MikeyDeepXS
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You’d be better off buying stock in PVC production, the recycling isn’t a growing industry and I highly doubt it ever will be
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I first saw a video of this concept in 2008. After crashing at least 2 computerz I can't find the original vid which even had a company in the far east selling the units. Decide for yourselves if this is true or not. Also quite a few more related videos in the sidebar with different applications of said concept.
We’ve been cracking hydrocarbons for a LONG time now. Is it a worthwhile thing to do? That depends on what hydrocarbons you’re cracking.
Plastic isn’t the ideal, but then again maybe if we run out of crude and LNG, things would change.
MikeyDeepXS
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Do “we” really care about the environment? Depends how you define “we”
And “care”
And “care”
A reminder on what this thread was/is based on.
Read the first post.
https://www.xs650.com/threads/do-we-care-about-the-enviroment.57540/
That been said. I think we have got to the, throw away society, through our consumer controlled society by big business to make us buy another product. They can make it cheaper to replace and buy new rather than fix the broken. That combined with outsourcing cheap labour makes that argument from conglomerates possible. Recycling has always been a part of our lives, replacing parts is a form of recycling when keeping 90-99% of something rather than replacing and throwing it away.
There is a thread here, discussing this point, where 1950's 1960's machines are still in use and under warranty.
It's not a matter of being convinced recycling has to b done, keeps people pacified, (referencing a dummy in their mouth is condescending and ignorant),
It is companies convincing the masses not to recycle so they can make more money.
It's a bit like the recycle sign. Companies pay less wages to make more profit.
They offer cheaper products when the cost of manufacture is lower.
The consumer has less buying power so the cheaper goods fit the budget.
Companies replacement parts costs make it more economical to replace the whole machine than fix with a replacement part.
So we throw it away. Now we are running out of landfill space, landfills are recognised as environmentally destructive for a multitude of reasons, hence why recycling is a necessity, not a dummy in the mouth pacifier for those who actually want to do something about the damage this has/is causing.
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LOl, can't help yourself.
MikeyDeepXS
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I’ve been talking about plastics recycling particularly which goes hand and hand with the single stream mix it up and let someone/something else sort it out later.
Recycling in terms of scrap materials absolutely makes sense, but as far as landfill diversion of plastic goes, it becomes very murky when it comes to post consumer waste because there is a lot of factual evidence that demonstrates that we’ve wasted tremendous amounts of energy to pretend like we’re doing something beneficial with post consumer plastic.
Not everyone will see it… I understand. There are three types of people:
Those who can see for themselves.
Those who can see once they’re told what to look for.
Those who will never see.
MikeyDeepXS
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I happen to live across the street from one of those single stream sort it out type of “recycling” transfer stations.
The reality of it’s not pretty.
I followed the trucks to the MRF(sorting facility) skeptical that they were even going there. What I saw there wasn’t pretty either.
Later, I got cease and desisted by arguably the USA’s largest waste handling corporation for recording videos of that and posting them online.
They aren’t going to show you that part of the process, and I’m not going to either anymore after their team of lawyers threatened legal action.
The reality of it’s not pretty.
I followed the trucks to the MRF(sorting facility) skeptical that they were even going there. What I saw there wasn’t pretty either.
Later, I got cease and desisted by arguably the USA’s largest waste handling corporation for recording videos of that and posting them online.
They aren’t going to show you that part of the process, and I’m not going to either anymore after their team of lawyers threatened legal action.