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Hello all! This is my first post!
I am new to the XS650, but apparently these cool bikes have a wonderful community behind them. I've been looking at and following post on this amazing forum for a little while now, but this is the first issue I've had that I feel the need to make a post in hopes that one of you that have far more experience with these than I do can maybe point me in the right direction.
I'm working on a this 1976 XS650 for a friend of a friend. I don't know much about it's past or what has been done to it previously because the guy just bought it somewhat recently. It had been sitting for a while before that according to him.
Basically all that I have done to it is install the forwarding control kit, cleaned up some wiring issues, put a new front master cylinder and caliper, re-welded the flange collars on the aftermarket "ya mamma" exhaust, and installed the Niche Cycles Makuni VM34 carb conversion kit.
This thing fires right up now, but when started, it immediately has a very high and consistent rev regardless of whether or not the chokes are engaged. There is no tach, but if I were guessing I would say probably around 3500-4500 rpm, give or take. It's high enough that I don't even like to leave it running too long. The idle adjustments on the carbs seem to do little or nothing at all. I have not attempted to re jet it yet, but can't imagine that would cause this issue. It doesn't appear to have any vacuum leaks that I've noticed, especially given that everything from the new machined billet intakes back are brand new. The ATU (automatic timing) also appears to be functioning as it should. It appears to also have an aftermarket Pamco electric ignition setup.
What am I missing here? Could the advance rod possibly be the issue? What on earth would cause this thing to idle so high? I haven't cracked into the engine yet to check valves or timing chain tension. I wanted.to ask for advice here first before I started in on that. I wanted to include a couple of videos to give ya'll an idea of what's going on, but it said the "File is too large for the server to process" and that "The uploaded file does not have an allowed extension," whatever all that means. :banghead:
Any expertise or help from you guys as to what I should look into or what could be the cause of this would be GREATLY appreciated!!
I will try and figure out how to post the videos in the mean time. :umm:

Edit: Links to videos
 
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Welcome aboard!!

VM carbs have a left and a right.
The slides also have a left and a right.
Get the slides swapped incorrectly and the symptoms are a very high idle with no affect turning the idle screws.

A steak dinner says your slides are swapped. ;)
Thanks for the quick response Jim. I'm not sure how I could have swapped the slides by mistake, I installed them straight out of the box, but that's definitely worth checking into. Is there any indicators on the slides that would tell me they're on the wrong side? Also, thanks for the info on the videos. I'll try that and see if I can get them posted up.
Shane
 
I'm not sure how I could have swapped the slides by mistake, I installed them straight out of the box,
That assumes Niche installed 'em correctly before they boxed 'em up. :cautious:

There's a ramped cutout on the slide that the idle screw works against. That cutout needs to align with the idle screw.
 
That assumes Niche installed 'em correctly before they boxed 'em up. :cautious:

There's a ramped cutout on the slide that the idle screw works against. That cutout needs to align with the idle screw.
That's what I was thinking. There's a slot cutout on only one side, so isn't there only one way the slides can go in?
What do you think about the possibility of the advance rod being stuck and causing the issue?
 
I dont think it s the advance rod It is usually not difficult to inspect
if the advance weights are there one can se them moving in and out cover off. for different revs And spring back when machine is off

If stuck I believe it would kick back being to advanced at startup Or being difficult to start at all
I don't know anything about carburetors ,but Jim is usually right

A steak dinner says your slides are swapped. ;)
 
What I think is you should check one thing at a time. I gave you the most likely suspect... one that takes about 30 sec to look at... so go have a look and let us know?

There's a slot cutout on only one side, so isn't there only one way the slides can go in?

Two different slots, one for alignment as it slides up and down and one for idle screw. The slot for the idle screw is side specific... the one for alignment is not. So the slides will fit either side, but only one side is correct.

Advance rod being stuck will give kickbacks when starting... and the idle screws will still work. The only thing I can think of where idle screws have no affect is when the slides are swapped so the screw isn't in it's little ramp.
 
Now ya made me break out a set of VM's. When you get 'em backwards the cutaway is facing the wrong way.
Back in my RD days, I got 'em backwards more times than I'd care to admit to. :rolleyes:

Slot (ramp) for idle screw.

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Slot and pin for slide alignment.

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What I think is you should check one thing at a time. I gave you the most likely suspect... one that takes about 30 sec to look at... so go have a look and let us know?



Two different slots, one for alignment as it slides up and down and one for idle screw. The slot for the idle screw is side specific... the one for alignment is not. So the slides will fit either side, but only one side is correct.

Advance rod being stuck will give kickbacks when starting... and the idle screws will still work. The only thing I can think of where idle screws have no affect is when the slides are swapped so the screw isn't in it's little ramp.
Ok, I will check there first Jim and report back. Thanks for the info. I've also updated my original post to include the videos like you recommended. And thanks for the visual aid. Much obliged
Thanks again 👍
 
I'm pretty sure they're in correctly, but I'm about to go double check now. It never hurts to make sure and I'd be lying if I said my memory hasn't failed me before. Ha
 
Quick and easy way to tell... pull an air filter and look at the slide. You should see a half moon shape of the cutaway. If it's straight across, it's backwards.

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So they were in correctly, but once I had the filters off, I could tell the slides were far too high at resting position. A backed the idle screws all the way out until they were basically loose and that allowed the slides to seat all the way down were they needed to. Problem solved. That's for you expertise Jim!
 
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