If they still have enough thickness I would send them to be reground at
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Modern bikes - repairs costs.YIKES!
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Met the Friend in town today The car no longer ran other than on idle ..Towed it to the Brand Shop
Got it out and was not able to exit the block before it stopped again.
Towed it back and there it sits he was talking about $ 450 looking for faults again .Dont know if it was for certain time
He is not gonna do it 130 000 km
I am pondering take it on Splitting connectors and service them As we do for XS 650
feel free come with opinions
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Met the Friend with the VOLVO
Replaced the gas pedal sensor according to error code
Once from a salvage ... .Once e New Pirate Part ..Lastly with the brand part
No change.
He had it at the Brand Shop and VOLVO is the major brand here big facility with a big shop
Not sending signals of being the right staff ." Camel jockey " looking
Not shaved dirty clothing in the wrong size .Loud voices .. I may be old fashioned but if it is a Professional brand shop
It should not look like that
My Father had an Audi and there it was a different setup
The Camel jockeys did read out the error codes and charged $ 300 .Not having a solution
He then seriously was prepared to Throw in the Towel Started to looking for something else
Nothing under $ 10 k available
So he reevaluated
In Town there was a Shop specializing in Car electrics and electronics.
Towed it there and .After a while he got the message that there existed a service bulletin from the factory
A connector that was a service item to replace ,, If I heard right when these type problems in the to Do List
The
" Camel jockey " looking dudes at the brand shop had not bothered to ask some experienced Service Person about such
service bulletin .And not calling the factory experts .Who could tell them.
Not sure if the shop in Town ( electrics and electronics. knew this or they called someone within their profession helping out
But that connector replaced ---It now appears as it is solved 2 weeks no Problem
He got the total cost around $ 1000 for this not including towing .. The car is good in shape and he is still better off than
paying the $ 10 k he was planning
At the same Lunch table was another man having problems with lights .A transformer or so a $ 700
Mercedes Benz
He was not happy but .but
The shop should call him when the job was ready he could go get the car.
They did call him but with the message now the car wont start We will call you again
did not call well into the afternoon evening .
Possibly another couple of Camel jockeys And he also was talking about buying something else
Wow - that's pretty poor service for the "hometown" brand....(i.e., Volvo in Sweden).
BTW - in my 44 years of engineering experience working with high technology equipment in manufacturing, the oil industry and R&D, I have noted that the major causes of electronic failures/problems are:
Basically, it has been my experience that if an electronic device has worked for more than about 20-45 minutes, it will likely work virtually forever.
In industry, that is often referred to as "infant mortality". If something is going to die, it will die quickly - normally in the first few minutes of use. Electronics doesn't wear out the way that mechanical stuff does.
I'd be interested in the experiences of others on these issues...
BTW - in my 44 years of engineering experience working with high technology equipment in manufacturing, the oil industry and R&D, I have noted that the major causes of electronic failures/problems are:
- operator error (the wrong settings or the wrong button being pushed - also known as the "Dumb Thumb" problem)
- dirty / corroded / loose electrical connections (this is especially prevalent with equipment and vehicles that had been functioning properly and "suddenly" stopped working)
- incorrect electrical connections (incorrectly assembled connectors, pin-out charts, and wiring colour-codes not read correctly, etc.) - this one usually happens when equipment is repaired or upgraded, but the work is not properly done by someone who takes pride in their work.
Basically, it has been my experience that if an electronic device has worked for more than about 20-45 minutes, it will likely work virtually forever.
In industry, that is often referred to as "infant mortality". If something is going to die, it will die quickly - normally in the first few minutes of use. Electronics doesn't wear out the way that mechanical stuff does.
I'd be interested in the experiences of others on these issues...
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2012 Ford Focus. I’m driving the car with the entertainment off. I hit a pothole and the AM radio comes on. Or, I’m listening to FM, XM or synced media, I hit a broken pavement and the system turns off. I assume the electronics will be the death of that car due to unsupported software. I need to keep an older car.
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I'v spent 40 years as a field service engineer for varius medical equipment manufactures. Most electrictronic problems are caused by bad connections. Many times a parts swap will fix the problem, but only because the connection was broken and reestablished when part was replaced.
Yes Sir
On the XS 650 that is my view also
It is always according to my experience a switch -- connector ( water In ) -- pin pushed out of place
Barb not holding it in place -- ignition lock --- fuse holder --kill switch or so
Almost never the wire itself With a few exceptions . Stater wires wearing against the chain
Headlamp bucket rubber grommet gone The metal edge cutting into and so
These problems can be heat and vibration + water rain or washing dependent Making them hard to localize
On HiFi s with no rain vibrations problems there can be Printed Circuit Boards cracks that flexes with temperature and components as well
Solder point that some hit with the soldering iron to improve
It is difficult to find but for High end equipment's and a skilled person it can be worth the effort.
There exists cooling sprays . And pushing the board with a wooden stick can close the crack helping localize
Experience is the deciding factor making starting assumptions as with my Friends VOLVO .The Know How
Or having the Connections call the one that knows.
That is magic with electronics in HiFi it can be a fault needing a capacitor a 50 cents
15 minutes soldering in Fixed
And it can be a tricky one that is impossible to find And if power up recklessly can fry every stage Shorting the final Transistors
so it shorts upstream to pre stages connecting high Voltage on them POFF .. and a lot is destroyed again.
maybe $ 50 or more dollars a try. But it can be a Hobby. I try sometimes
Some old High End HiFi s can be expensive say $ 1 k . Sought after
Then the fault finding can be motivated . And sooner or later it can be found.But experience is deciding.
In Automotive a lot of micro controllers are used on complicated data busses. That is manufacturers secrets
That is a mistake by and large
The Car is different from the Computer .. It works when new but after some years ice and snow
The error code readers does not appear to give precise answers .Even though the idea is good.
The VOLVO Owner does not dare use the electrical side window a problem not existing with a crank
Is this development One may ask -- Who is so lazy cannot open the window with a crank ?
But to sum it up as was confirmed on the VOLVO Servicing the connectors on the XS 650 if problems -- is a good thing to do
After the known Bucket and Stater wire
Agreed. I have to know where the cold solder joints are to reflow them.
Hi Marty - surely that episode with the Ford Focus is a clear example of a loose connection?
Pete
Yes, I could actually turn them myself in the university machine shop where I work but they really are right down near the minimum thickness, and I am taking long-distance trips on this bike. Besides, the full-floating EBC rotors work much better than the old-school fixed BMW stock ones.
So I will just hold onto them for now and possibly do it later just for the heck of it.
