Testing gggGary's Madness Pocket Port...

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Upon my recent return to the forum, I saw gggGary's post "Port-n-Polish" thread Here.
Obviously it caught my interest. gggGary was kind enough to send me an orphaned head to experiment
with as I worked on ways to develop the xs650 head two years ago. He paid the shipping and wouldn't accept
reimbursement. I was extremely grateful as that head was instrumental in my experimentation. I learned a great deal.
Eventually developing the D45F head for Wannabriden in a long lost thread here.
The beginning of the thread is fraught with some mistakes and errors which I acknowledged and corrected.
It documented the entire journey of me building my flow bench and learning to use it.
I also covered basic porting tenents and philosophy as well as the math that is used in the process of identifying the port charcteristics necessary to fullfill an engines requirements based on it's volumetrics.
Everything is there, warts and all. I had and still have zero interest in posturing or seeking accolades posting up gaudy numbers.
My only interest was in developing a fully active port that was designed for his motor (700cc with a shell cam).
The final result was an extremely efficient port which I exceeded my expectations at the beginning of the process.

When testing a head the numbers are what they are and they dictate what needs to be done.
Most people are only aware of CFMs. Of all the testing done CFMs are the LEAST IMPORTANT.
I cannot stress that enough. The CFM simply need to provide an engine with the amount of air required by the engine's volumetrics.
The closer the CFMs are to the volumetric requirement the better. Too much results in loss of effieciency in the low to mids.
Too little with take power from the top. The engine specs determine "The Goldilocks Zone" where air flows most efficent.
There is no such thing as a one size does it all.. (Go Big :rolleyes:). There is ALWAYS a trade off unless the port is matched to the volumetrics.
The key element in porting is raising the VELOCITY within the port as evenly as possible throughout the port. That is what's MOST important.
It is critical to understand your riding style and intended use as well as the engine combination.
(Cam, Stroke, Bore, Power/Torque Curves, Valve Size, Etc.) when porting a head IF you are seeking to OPTIMIZE your Performance and Power.
Like everything else in life you do the best you can with what you got. There was a time when I had nothing more than a die grinder,
then I added a large commercial vacuum and some string and flowballs. Now I have a bench that will pull 28" of depression, and digital test
equipment, manometers, calibration plates etc. But I'm off track.. back to the Madness head

As I said, I was and am very grateful to gggGary for his part in aiding my testing, so I reached out and offered to test his head for him.
No charge of course and I finally kinda sorta got to reimburse by paying that shipping return to him.
I thought it might provide some information he could use. Since I am writing this, he clearly was interested and accepted my offer.
I have been porting a couple of car heads most recently and once he said yes I changed my fixture back to the XS650 setup in order
to be ready for testing upon the head's arrival. I know he is trying to get Madness back together so I told him it would be a week or less and it was.
I will say that I did this as a favor to return a favor, I had no intention of making this posting.
I had told gggGary that I would provide him with all the test results and he could do as he wished with them.
He made it clear that it was his desire that I post the findings. I'll admit that I was somewhat reticent, because I did not want any kind of appearance
that I am degrading someone's efforts or hard work. I am fully aware that I hurt another member's feelings when I did the posting 2 years ago.
That bothered me a great deal as that member was the very inspiration for me to do what I am doing with these heads.
It is a very difficult thing to maximize the efficiency of a port without having access to test equipment, That is just reality.
So the "bottom line" as they say is.. the numbers are what the numbers are...
That could almost be a direct quote from gggGary in our discussion about me presenting this data for the forum.
I am still making charts and such to present the data in a way that it can be followed and understood. That should start coming out this weekend.

Since my testing fixture had been changed for larger auto cylinders and placed back, I will also be retesting (in case that skews any numbers)
my 100% stock head as well as the head I pocket ported to verify/reestablish a baseline and a comparison to have some context for the results.
gggGary can be persuasive, but I ultimately decided to go forward with this posting because I think there are many people curious about pocket porting,
and I feel the information could provide them some insights on what they can expect as well as some hints on how to proceed should they give it a go.
I won't leave you totally hanging, I think that gggGary did pretty well. He had already completed the head when I reached out
and we never discussed what his expectations were, beyond just telling it like it is. That is what is going to occur.

The tests I performed are as follows:
CC'ing the Chambers, Intake Ports and Exhaust Ports.
Mapping the Intake Ports and Measuring the Cross Sectional Area (CSA)
Flowballs for Port Activity
Smoke testing for Seperation of Air in the Port
CFMs
Velocity Mapping of the Port (the MOST important!)

Sooo Vroom Vroom
Hopefully someone finds it useful...
Rick
 
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That could almost be a direct quote from gggGary in our discussion about me presenting this data for the forum.
I am still making charts and such to present the data in a way that it can be followed and understood. That should start coming out this weekend.
Clearly says...
"Start coming out this weekend."
Which is today. The testing was just completed Wednesday evening and I do have things going on in my world. I don't think some have any idea how many data points are gathered, how long it takes to aggregate them. I don't just throw them on the bench and run a test once either. Everything is run at least twice for verification. I also am testing two other heads (one port only so basically a complete set of testing on a second head) for comparative data. All that data also has to be compiled, aggregated and charts made as well. So I'm going to spend the morning with my wife, watch some Florida Gator basketball, have lunch, and then I'll complete some charts and start uploading the data.
And yes there will be pictures a plenty.
Sheesh
 
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Hey you got replies and eyes on, it's all good!
I for one will be watching rabidly.
And as BP sez, I had to drag him kicking and screaming to post unedited results, my ego be damned. Cuz yeah I just went at it with dremel and diamond ball grinders and tried to eyeball a happy port. Will be interesting to see the results and diffs, one intake valve needed some work to get it to seal, valve and seat were ground (my first time doing either) with third world methods.
 
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Hey you got replies and eyes on, it's all good!
I for one will be watching rabidly.
And as BP sez, I had to drag him kicking and screaming to post unedited results, my ego be damned. Cuz yeah I just went at it with dremel and diamond ball grinders and tried to eyeball a happy port. Will be interesting to see the results and diffs, one intake valve needed some work to get it to seal, valve and seat were ground (my first time doing either) with third world methods.

Hey yeah, me too! 😃 I found his original post interesting when he first did it. Even though I’m kind of out of the game anymore, I still find engine building and performance modifications to be interesting . I’ll admit that much of the technical data kinda sails over my head, but I enjoy seeing the process and head porting has always intrigued me , because so much of it that folks like our Gary did, is just sort of of intuitive. Remove obstructions and smooth the way, it’s all kind of voodoo science. But to get into actively reshaping ports and scientifically collecting data….well that’s entering into factory race efforts domain. The XS650 motor has always seemed to me to be a difficult motor to coax big power out of. The old flat track racing pioneers in the 70’s and the one off factory racing heads that guys like Kennedy Robert’s used, used to fascinate me as a young man….still does.
I’m eager to see your results and also to see how Gary’s eagle eyed porting job came out! 😄
Carry on!
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Ok so it is important to understand when porting, exactly where flow gains can be achieved within the port.
There are 3 key areas of interest:

1) Valve, Throat, Seat
2) Cam Specifications
3) The Port Design

1) We'll start with the valve. The size, shape, seat angle all have great effect.
More than most imagine when thinking about porting. That is because it has control of the port for far longer.
That the valve's control is all under the curve is a big part of it as well. Bigger flows more obviously.
One of the reasons many install oversize valves. Even a mm makes a significant difference.
The Throat represents the tightest constriction just before the valve seat.
That has great effect on Volume as well as Velocity
Clearly a 3 angle valve job flow more than a straight 45*.
In todays automotive world they are using 7 angle and compound angles for performance.
Of no benefit with these motors.

2) Cam Specifications go hand in hand with the Valve as it is the component that is controlling the valve.
The higher the lift, obviously the more air that it can move.
The longer the duration (how long a valve is opened), the more air that can be flowed.
Overlap plays a part in exhaust scavenging and aids in accelerating the intake air flowing into the cylinder.

3) Port design is the final piece of the puzzle.

The question remains, how much is controlled by the port design itself and if it is worth pocket porting.
We'll get to answering it... after I grab some dinner.
Madness data on deck

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The first thing one needs to do is determine what they have.

We'll start with port volumes. Port volumes should be as even as possible.
Top Porters will keep this number (difference between ports) below .3 CCs.
The target is 0 of course and some are able to reach it.
Anything from .5 to 1 CC is acceptaable for a Performance Street Engine.
Large differences in Volume can also create a difference in the amount of fuel between the ports.
This can potentionally create tuning issues.
When measuring across multiple ports as in a v8 the overall tolerance should 2% maximum.
Not an issue when discussing the xs650 twin

The Combustion Chamber Volumes should be within 1.0 CC

Exhaust Ports within 2 CC.

Although it is important to equalize these volumes...
The shape of the port and it's Cross Sectional Area (CSA), and Short Side Radius are more critical
to performance than the total volume.


So let's see how gggGary did.

Intake Port:
Stock
79.8 CC
Madness
82 CC Left - 81.4 CC Right
Difference of .6

All by eyeball... rather outstanding.
Note that he increased the volume by approx 3 CC
The greater the Volume the less Velocity. Something to keep in mind.

Combustion Chamber:
Stock
58.8 CC
Madness
59.8 CC Left - 60 CC Right
Difference of .2

gggGary has a good eye obviously.

I didn't test the exhaust side but they looked good.

So.. The ports are well matched which is a great start and frankly
quite impressive as he did not measure the ports as he went along.
Just eyeballin.
 

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So let's get into the more critical aspects of the port, the Cross Sectional Area and the short Side Turn.

I measure the CSA at 3 locations within the port:

15 mm deep - 30 mm deep - 55 mm (Under the Guide)

The measurements are in Square Inches
@ 15mm
Stock -1.45
Madness -L 1.45 / R 1.47

@30 mm
Stock - 1.37
Madness -L 1.62 / R 1.60

@55 mm
Stock - 1.36
Madness - L 1.36 / R 1.34

Notice that there has only been a slight increase in the Madness Pocket Port,
An example of a very typical Pocket Port
Also notice that at each of the measuring points the Madness Port has a difference of 2 mm.
Pretty good and not noticeable by eye or touch.
One should use dividers or some form of measuring device to measure and compare the 2 ports as accurately as possible.
Believe me... mm matter!
Still despite this variance between these particular measuring points..
we know that the ports are nearly equal in volume throughout, therefore it will have minimal effect of volume (CFM).
We will see how it may affect Velocity soon.

The Short Side Turn (Radius) has been virtually unchanged by gggGary.
I thought I snapped a picture of it but apparently I didn't.
I had it side by side with the stock head and nothing noticeble. They both fall back the same.
I did take a pick of the stock SST and for a comparison of sorts I will also attach a pic of the tuned D45F SST.
Main point here is there it no relevant difference between the Madness PP and the Stock SSTs in this critical zone.
You will notice that the Stock (as well as Madness) SST falls away so fast that it isn't even visable looking from the Chamber.
 

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While doing this my goal was smoothing removing casting marks, roughness, and ridges left by the factory's quick port grinding.
I also attempted to create smooth channels to flow air around the valve guide.
Marking changes to a before pic:
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A final modification was that I noticed a bulge/rounded ridge/restriction in the sidewall at about the valve guide that I cut back removed. I think blues is about to tell me that last change was a mistake.
I'm not going racing and actually spent some time trying to even out the motor's previous "high state of tune". It was pretty flat below about 5500) then hit like Thor's hammer, too readily blowing past redline. A fun rush but not the best power band for moderate street riding.
This is not the ported head that has been on madness, that head has a bad valve guide after busted valve spring beat it up.
I did also do the combustion chamber mods that Yamaha shows in their performance booklet.
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Thoroughly enjoying getting schooled. ;^)
 

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I have zero knowledge about porting but it always looks very Magic like. Could this be a dying art? Ik can imagine that modern engines are build differently from our old XS650s

Hello Bjorn
I think that there is simply a niche for porting and that's really all that has ever existed.
There will be porters around for some time yet to come.
True, it isn't as much of a factor with new engines although EFI still can grasp benefits from better air flow.
It is indeed treated a bit like voodoo or magic, but in reality is very basic science and laws of physics,
which as I type this out makes it sound somewhat ominous. But I'm no Physicist, that is for certain.
Don't need to be. They did the work I just apply it.

Sadly, there are some porters that are simply "Making Jewelry" for engines.
They got all the pretty and the glitter figured out... Carving up Masterpieces that actually slow your performance down.
They will polish the intakes to shine like mirrors to catch an eyeball, Beautiful pieces of work that don't actually work.
They will tout the CFMs which are raised with the larger volumes created from their Carving.
They won't tell you about the already too low Velocities they just took down to the basement.
Mostly because they are either clueless about it or have no way of testing it.
Revealing reduced performance doesn't sell the Eye Candy they are pushing.
The guy that buys it doesn't know, he's depending on the porter, who is clearly incredible, I mean just look at it! :laugh2::rolleyes:.
His friends are all super impressed and that is always ultra important.
They should place it in the Curio Cabinet for display with the light shing down upon it, not on their motor.

The first thing to ask a Porter about is the VELOCITY gains. Most can't/won't answer for the reasons I just explained.
That is a HUGE RED FLAG. The second question and equally as important: "What is the EFFICIENCY of the port?".
If they can't answer those questions, you are not dealing with a Porter. They are Eye Candy Carvers.
Good question though. Maybe someone will pick up what I'm putting down.

I don’t understand the units. CSA is area, correct? What does 1.45mm refer to?
WOW !!!
Great Catch my man!
You caught a grave error and I am most Grateful.
Not sure where my mind was at as I was typing this out this morning...
My only defense is that my wife was Sashaying/Dancing around as I am doing this. :D
That measurement should be Square Inches my friend.
It is the area of that particular "slice" of the port that I measured.
Hope that explains the confusion and thank you once again for bringing my attention to it.
I will correct it now.
 
Flowball testing is something I still use when developing a port.
There is a great deal of information to be gleaned when isolating problem areas within a port.
I made my own and they are sized the same as those that can be purchased.
I actually have bags of the balls if anyone has any desire... Useless without some kind of airflow obviously.
With a decent sized shop vac, a deft set of hands to feel the movement or a simple manometer there can be some discovery made.
The way I did it waaay back in the day although I would not recommend doing any actual porting with that setup.
It does make for some interesting exploration and understanding of air movement.
Anyways I will send the flowball set (flowballs only, not mounted) for free if anyone will actually use them.
The stems the balls attach to should be small as possible, not only to reduce any blockage of air flow from the stem itself,
but also to allow the vibrations of the air movements to reach your fingers for feedback, even if using a manometer alongside.

Here I am simply testing a head and not developing it, however I still utilize them in conjunction with my Pitot tube as a verification.
There is no measurable data to share. For testing like this I use it more as an observational tool.
I can say that the flowball testinng aligned perfectly with what I saw though the Velocity testing done with the Pitot Tube.
 

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Well next on that list is the Smoke Show.
Going to have to Edit and Process those videos to save some eardrums so...
We are going to bump it out of line and get to the thing that everyone wants to know.
The LEAST Important and easiest test I perform... CFMs

As I explained in the intro to this thread, CFMs should match the engine requirements as closely as possible.
Period. More is LESS and Less is LESS.
Madness is a 750cc so the volumetrics have to be calculated.
(basically the amount of air the motor can move based on it's design and physical characteristics)
One of those elements is the Power Curve and at what RPM we reach peak HP.
I don't have that data in front of me, however the best I have found are some dynos showing 7000 rpm for a stock cam.
Still I am uncertain of the camshaft however gggGary did send the lift info (see attached)
which seems higher to me than I remember the stock cam being without digging out that info.

So going with the high of .321 with the 1.21 Rocker Arm Multiplier (Ratio) we end up at .388 or just under the .4 test point.
That is information we will use in a bit, but for this equation we need the power curve.
As I always say we do the best with what we have so I decided to use the 7000 rpm formula.
Note that I have also included the 7800 power curve formula of the Shell #1 as well for comparison and understanding.
The key point here is the higher the RPM the higher the Required CFM
So for the Madness head on a 750cc @7000 would require 146.13 CFM
The requirement for the same motor with a 7800 rpm peak power shell #1 cam would be 162.8 CFM
This is an example of how important matching the Camshaft to the motor to the head flow...

You know the song "ankle bone connected to the shin bone.." :laugh2:
Anyways it all works together and it all works together better and more efficient (More Power) when it's all matched.
I think the cam gggGary has is bigger than stock and obviously slightly below the Shell #1.
His Power curve will fall somewhere between, most likely slightly closer to the Shell #1.
So I also ran the numbers with a 7600 rpm Peak HP which equates to 158.66 CFM requirement.
The actual CFM test results are next up
 

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