Title Services

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There have been many threads posted discussing how to obtain titles for bikes that were purchased without one. In the past I have gone through the courts and obtained a Court Ordered Lost Title for my '77 that was pulled from a 35 year barn slumber. That was a nice way that only cost about $150 but took some time for the process, including taking a half day off work to attend the court hearing. I was fortunate and live in a small community where everyone was pleasant and eager to help. Others have used the old Vermont Bill of Sale loophole which has since been closed through government bureaucracy. For my latest acquisition, I decided to try a new route. I had heard of Saints Title Services in the past and read some good reviews of the service, so I decided to give them a shot. Basically the process goes like this...

https://www.saintsengine.com/services/title-service/

Start by going into their website and create a Bill of Sale. You also need to provide a clear picture of the VIN from your frame. I had to use some acetone to remove a few layers of paint for a clear picture. You are transferring the ownership over to them on paper. You can either pay by Papal for $450 or write a check for $400 (as of August 2024). Saints then submits to the TN BMV and claims ownership. In about 4 weeks Saints then sends you back a legitimate TN Title in their name that is signed off along with a signed Bill of Sale that you complete with your information. This is the point where I am in the process. I just need to make the trip down to my local BMV and transfer the title into my name.

I understand the apprehension of signing over a vehicle blindly. I was right there too but decided to roll the dice based on the positive reviews I have read. Everything is legitimate and has worked out just as they have stated it would. I have no issues and am currently very satisfied with the results. I'm off to the BMV on Tuesday to finish this process.

**NOTE -- I just checked their website and they are currently on hold for their services. Apparently they are applying for some new licensing to conform with new laws. They expect to be back in operation in early October '24. I got lucky and mine pushed through just before this took place.
 
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There should be a nationwide Department of Motor Vehicles algorythm...
40-50 year old M/C check
Not listed as stolen, check.
50% chance of ever running again, check
10% chance of running 500 miles on our roads, check.
Issue title.
That might violate the 10th Amendment.
 
There should be a nationwide Department of Motor Vehicles algorythm...

What there should be is a Driver & Vehicle Licencing Agency, to keep centralised records of all vehicles and drivers across the nation. But that would wipe out an entire legal & bureaucratic sector, thousands of lawyers and state officials would lose their raison d'être and it probably violates the Constitution.
 
What there should be is a Driver & Vehicle Licencing Agency, to keep centralised records of all vehicles and drivers across the nation. But that would wipe out an entire legal & bureaucratic sector, thousands of lawyers and state officials would lose their raison d'être and it probably violates the Constitution.
My personal experience is that is probably the one civil service dept in the UK that is fully fit for purpose. DVLA seems to work well based on the albeit fairly limited experience I have. Other civil service depts appear to be designed specifically to be as useless as possible.
 
That might violate the 10th Amendment.

What there should be is a Driver & Vehicle Licencing Agency, to keep centralised records of all vehicles and drivers across the nation. But that would wipe out an entire legal & bureaucratic sector, thousands of lawyers and state officials would lose their raison d'être and it probably violates the Constitution.
My meaning was that the data be available (easily) state to state, not that there be state to state requirements.
 
My meaning was that the data be available (easily) state to state, not that there be state to state requirements.
I believe law enforcement has access to a national database. Before I moved from Georgia to Mississippi I had a deputy from my County Sheriff’s department come over and run all the VINs on all of my junk. I wouldn’t have done that for a Georgia only database.

Are we talking about the same thing?
 
Has anyone used bonding from a title service?
I have heard of this working for Cars but have yet to run across anyone successful for a motorcycle.
I thought it was a minimum amount of $ or % of value of vehicle (which ever was higher)
For a <$1K barn find, it was like <$200
 
Has anyone used bonding from a title service?
I have heard of this working for Cars but have yet to run across anyone successful for a motorcycle.
I thought it was a minimum amount of $ or % of value of vehicle (which ever was higher)
For a <$1K barn find, it was like <$200
WI has a bonded title option. IIRC a $200-$500 bond is put on your new title. If no claims of it being a stolen vehicle come in 5 years your bond is refunded.
 
In my state, we can get what is referred to as a "branded title" issued upon your statement that you have it your possession and have acquired it honestly. A VIN inspection is done, followed by a quick look in the state database for a former owner. For three years after the new title is issued, a former owner (with proof of ownership) can show up and claim the vehicle, after three years it reverts to the status of a regular title and can't be claimed. I think I spent about $43 on the last branded title I got, including fees and sales tax.
 
Has anyone used bonding from a title service?
I have heard of this working for Cars but have yet to run across anyone successful for a motorcycle.
I thought it was a minimum amount of $ or % of value of vehicle (which ever was higher)
For a <$1K barn find, it was like <$200
I have a bonded Mississippi title on one of my XS650s. It cost me $100 for $3000 coverage. My neighbor was a broker, so she handled it for me. I believe I can convert to a regular title after two years.
 
This seems to be a universal problem for honest guys trying to work with 40-50 year old motorcycles.
I tried to use one of those vin check sights online. Every time I tried to check on a bike from the 50's it would ask for the 13-digit vin number which of course it didn't have. Those are a big wase of time.
 
2 years ago, I picked up a 1966 05a Jawa scooter at Davenport. Came with a bill of sale and a Illinois title. Went to DMV here in Texas to get it into my name and that's when things went off the rails. The PO (previous owner) had never put it into his name and paid the tax. Illinois has never met a tax they didn't like. So first I had to get it inspected, $40 then since they couldn't find that model in their data base, I had to get a valuation. So, I checked online and found one had been sold at a Mecham's auction and one was up for sale on Ebay. No good it had to be from a business and on a letter head. Found a motorcycle museum in Burnet about 80 miles away who did that for me for free. Then it was off to Ft. Worth and the state DMV for them to say how much of a bond I needed, $500. That cost $18 at DMV and then $100 at the insurance agency for the bond. Then back to the local DMV to get the title $79.
I didn't want the tags just the title, the way people drive around here I wouldn't ride a small under powered scooter on the road.
 
My personal experience is that is probably the one civil service dept in the UK that is fully fit for purpose. DVLA seems to work well based on the albeit fairly limited experience I have. Other civil service depts appear to be designed specifically to be as useless as possible.
Must be joking.
My last dealings with them were punctuated by laziness, incompetence and idiocy, all on their side.
 
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